Title Edit: 737 not a 787
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Another Boeing 787 makes an emergency landing in Denver, Colorado after having the engine fall apart
Direct link to video: https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1777045344699723776/vid/avc1/720x720/9e4r54op7DJrY8Q6.mp4
Source: https://twitter.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1777045587344429221
Boeing has successfully made me mildly anxious about flight for the first time in my life and it only took a couple of months after a lifetime of thinking of it as incredibly safe. Capitalism is awesome.
Ask your doctor about Valium™
Die with compliance
Calm as Hindu cows.
I asked for a couple of doses of Valium when I had an 18h flight (Taiwan). I drank at the airport bar before boarding. I was so out of it when we landed that my partner had to tell me what to do. If there had been an emergency procedure I would have died for sure, but at least I wouldn’t have been panicked about it.
Ooh what were you up to in Taiwan? I was just there a couple months ago
Visiting a partner’s mother but also getting introduced to the country. Well, Taipei and places within driving distance. Incredible place. Spotlessly clean. Everyone was very welcoming. How about you?
A new partner I had impulse invited me and I figured whether that went good or bad it would be interesting. We didn’t have much of a plan but spent a week running around anywhere that sounded interesting to us. Jiufen and Taroko Gorge were my favorite parts, and seeing how walkable cities can be
People there are so nice right? That stunned me just how kind and helpful people were
I asked a guy at a music shop how he liked a software licensing system that used a USB key. It was plugged into his laptop. He offered to let me take it and try it out. I was like, “No, man, that’s yours.”
In a shoe shop, I asked to try on a pair in my size. When the employee didn’t come back, my partner asked what was happening and it turned out they didn’t have my size. She was going to other shoe stores on the strip asking if they had my size.
The degree of trust and customer service is unlike anything I’ve experienced in my life. Granted, Taiwan and Canada are the only countries I’ve been to outside USA. But it really struck me.
Thanks for being a fuckwit where your body may have blocked others.
Same energy as driving drunk
Downvotes from equally inconsiderate buffoons. Don’t be so altered in public that you are a danger to others.
This was my first thought reading their comment.
It’s something I hadn’t even considered.
You’re a garbage human. Plane crashes it doesn’t matter at all if she’s out of it
Childish. There are many emergencies other than a straight up crash where evacuation is important.
Self centered garbage.
You’re Literally projecting.
The whole point is not to endanger others by being so altered you can’t respond. That’s unsafe, for others.
Nationalized is not better. Then you just have an ever larger pool to externalize the losses against, and a simple political appointment to scapegoat to “fix” the problem.
Quality commercial fleets like this take so much more to manage than is captured in “just nationalize it” or “fuck capitalism”.
Capitalism is the problem, but I agree that nationalization is not the solution. This is yet another industry where regulatory capture made possible by legalized bribery has become a serious issue. We need to reimplement strong regulations and punishments for companies that don’t meet them.
Unregulated capitalism is absolutely an issue, as described by regulatory capture.
Hyper strict government regulation is the way, where corporations live in fear of running afoul
In fairness, I do want to point out that this particular aircraft, N8668A, was built in 2015. This was its first incident. Basically, I’d assume this to be more of a maintenance issue rather than an actual Boeing issue.
Incidents like this now make the news with ‘Another Boeing…’ when usually the media would report ‘Aircraft diverted…’ and not even mention the aircraft type until the second paragraph in. Every Boeing incident now gets put under a magnifying glass.
Don’t get me wrong: Boeing has become a shit company and the people who knowingly put lives at risk for profit need to be lined up against a wall. But this doesn’t really feel like one of those incidents, knowing how often engines are checked and serviced after leaving the factory.
Right, but that’s the game you play when you are an aircraft builder. If your record is spotless, people will presume issues with your products are not your fault. If your reputation dips, you get a feedback loop of shit. It’s a pretty simple idea that American industry used to understand before they let MBAs take control.
This applies to many things in society, and is generally the entire social construct of “reputation.” It’s why politicians speak carefully and don’t “say it like it is.” It’s why you don’t talk shit about your coworkers. Etc. I feel like a huge portion of our society has completely lost touch with this idea of actions and character having long term consequences.
Yes I believe the current story is “the match made in heaven, Boeing and united, resulted in shit maintenance of a weakly QCed product. Thus, united was running a poor QC program on top of a profitmaxxed airframe. The bill is coming due on all that fuckery”.
Wasn’t this a Southwest aircraft?
Wasn’t this a Southwest aircraft?
Wow the title on this one is bad. This plane was not a 787, it was a 737.
My initial reply was going to be “Southwest only flies 737s, so this 787 isn’t one of theirs” but then I decided to check, just in case.
So yes, this was a Southwest 737.
But most incidents lately have been that glorious combination of United and Boeing.
Fixed title, thanks!
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There’s no reason it can’t be a thruple.
Basically, I’d assume this to be more of a maintenance issue rather than an actual Boeing issue.
Rather than think this is completely related, shouldn’t it instead raise concerns about Boeings maintenance procedures? Extrapolating on their exposed carelessness during engineering and production i don’t see it as much of a stretch to say they aren’t maintaining their planes properly either.
I’m thinking twice before i fly boeing, period.
As you say, if boeing is getting away with shit maintenance then maybe all companies are and like someone above said, i shouldn’t fly at all.
Boeing does not maintain their planes after they sell them. That is on the customer.
They are, however, maintained to Boeing’s specified intervals.
This just isn’t true. Part 121 operators develop and manage their own maintenance plans. That is done in conjunction with Boeing and the FAA but their maintenance plans may very well deviate from Boeings prescribed service and intervals per their standard maintenance manual.
Are they?
Yes. You do not fuck around with maintenence intervals on an aircraft, especially in the states.
Isn’t it a Southwest maintenance issue ?
I have no clue whether Southwest maintains their own planes or has a service contract with boeing tbh. Sure is scary either way
Aircraft maintenance is an important and very complex issue. Most of it is carried out by either the end user or specialist aircraft maintainers. Basically, completely seperate companies. An aircraft rarely goes back to the manufacturer; it just wouldn’t be practical.
Think of it like this: if your BMW needs an oil change and new brakes, your local garage performs that maintenance, you don’t ship your entire car back to Germany.
I feel we need to take a closer look at aircraft maintenance procedures and companies in general. Because it feels like that sector is either overworked, cutting costs or otherwise not doing maintenance to the levels required for safe operation. There have been too many ‘minor incidents ‘ in recent years that feel indicative of a larger problem.
Air travel still is the safest form of transport, but since every incident makes the news, it has a large potential to undermine the feeling of safety in travellers.
Speaking for myself… I’d rather fly on a well maintained Airbus A320 rather than a brand new 737.
Boeing is in biiiiiig trouble for sure.
I believe I heard somewhere this was started by a bird strike.
And not to defend Boeing, but they don’t make the engines. The engine is a CFM56 made by CFM International. The same engines are used on some Airbus a320s, Airbus a340s, and McDonald Douglas DC-8’s
This was part of the nacelle I think, so it would be a Boeing made or procured part. There’s just pretty much zero chance it’s their fault.
Fair?
Boeing killed a mf’er.
We’re past fair.
… Plus all those people that died in their knowingly faulty planes
I, for one, am interested in being correct.
I prefer to prove people wrong. And that is better than being correct. I win, case closed.
Are you serious? You think an engine falling apart wouldn’t make the news?
No, as I said it WOULD make the news, obviously. But usually they wouldn’t lead with the aircraft manufacturer in the title. News outlets are really only doing that because Boeing is a ‘hot topic’.
Most people really don’t know or care what brand or type of plane they’re flying on. Heck, most news outlets can’t tell a Boeing 747 from a Piper Cub. But every Boeing incident is now guaranteed to get clicks.
Incidents like this now make the news with ‘Another Boeing…’ when usually the media would report ‘Aircraft diverted…’ and not even mention the aircraft type until the second paragraph in. Every Boeing incident now gets put under a magnifying glass.
You’re being disingenuous. You’re saying here that it shouldn’t make the news under the brand “Boeing”, clearly.
I disagree. I believe Boeing is earning their reputation at this point. They deserve to reap what they sew.
Why? Well… Watch this: https://youtu.be/Q8oCilY4szc
Correct.
There are a few channels on YouTube that play communication traffic between pilots and traffic controllers during emergency situations. Engine failures, fires, bird strikes are not at all uncommon, and almost never made the news before this hyper focus on everything Boeing.
Sorry if I’m thick…
The pilot said Southwest… I didn’t know they had any 787… I thought they only had 737s…???
Ah. Yep. A 737…
A quick lookup of the planes identifier SW3695 does indicate it is registered to a Boeing 737-800 (twin-jet) (B738).
I was about to say that 787s have electronically dimming windows, not the “slider blinds”, so it couldn’t possibly be a 787.
But also what you said.And different winglets
Fixed title!
Thanks!
An engine cover on a Boeing 737 operated by Southwest Airlines ripped open just after taking off from Denver International Airport Sunday morning.
I wouldn’t say that this counts as “engine fall apart”.
They forgot the durable outer casing to prevent fall-apart.
So, I know that access to information has made it seem like violent crime is happening more often even though it’s actually been trending down. And I’m just wondering if that same phenomenon is happening with plane problems. Because it feels like there’s a new issue with a Boeing plane every fucking day and I’m just wondering if that’s due to an increase in reporting or if Boeing planes are actually blowing up more often than they used to.
Overall incidents this year are lower than the last couple of years, across all of aviation. I can’t find much up to date info on Boeing specifically, but as of 2022 accidents were still roughly going down.
The last fatal plane crash of a US commercial aircraft was 15 years ago. Caused by pilot error, not mechanical failure.
Well there were some high profile problems with the latest iteration of the 737, problems that are actually Boeing’s fault and should be their responsibility to fix.
After that though, any problem with any Boeing aircraft becomes juice news-cycle bait, even if the root of the problem was actually, hypothetically, that Southwest Airlines is cheap as fuck and their underfunded under-fucks-given maintenance crew fucked something up and didn’t properly secure an engine cover. All the news outlets will care about was “Problem with another Boeing plane!”
From the stories I’ve heard from someone who worked as a flight attendant for 16 years in the 70s/80s, engines blowing out was and still is just a thing that happens sometimes. The big planes have multiple engines, so it’s not usually a big deal (losing one engine won’t cause a crash on its own). I do think this is mostly a case where the media jumps on the trending train, but Boeing should also get their shit together before they become responsible for preventable deaths.
Are you sure? Car jackings are up 37% in Chicago this year already. I would consider armed robbery and armed carjacking to be violent, and those are up, it’s homicides that are down it seems.
That’s it, I’m only flying on DC-10s from now on
I understood that reference
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sensasionalistic misleading title
engine COVER flys apart.
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Yanks, isn’t it about time to call in some favours, from New York crime families, MS13 or something, to bypass that corporate captured policies of yours, by going to some of the Boeing execs homes, tying them to chairs and applying car batteries to nipples?
I mean if they’re sharks, they’re sharks. They don’t know no better. But if you start working their thumbs…
Sure but an engine cover falling off is hardly Boeing’s fault, that’s a maintenance problem. The thing is a lot of these reported failures are maintenance issues, sure Boeing has their problems absolutely, but they also make the most common type of aircraft in the world. Inevitably there are going to be problems and most of those problems will be with the most common aircraft, because, by definition, there are more of them than any other type.
Bro, did you just simp for Boeing, then go off about how government is mafia when they have been twiddled around the thumb of giant corporations? Bro.
Have you read about Boeing? The statements, the fired engineers, the cost cutting, that whistle blower that “had a little accident” whereby he died mysteriously, the history of the company that Boeing acquired that ate Boeing up from inside and turned it into the same shark tank?
Like bro, get off that exec and shareholder jockstrap - I beg you.
Dude get off your high horse.
Boeing is not without problems. They have tons. Namely the whole self-certificatjon process (which really is just as much the fault of the FAA, for allowing Boeing to do so, but that was also with tons of lobbying dollars from Boeing) and everything that resulted from it (basically everything about the max 8).
But this specific example is not fair to pin on Boeing. This really sounds like a maintenance issue for SWA.
Yes we should ignore the facts in this case because they’re a shitty company overall.
Who was I talking to?
What…?
They’ve hired Matt Stone and Trey Parker to do an apology video.
Boeing is sooo sowwwyyy
The government and « mafia » (as organized crime) are so alike we could wish for one another.
The US government maybe, but then again it’s been captured by a bunch of oligarchs who thrive off CRT and capture more law than a stenographer at congress. This is why yanks are pretty blind to what a government can be and can’t be, and buddy, you’ve got an enshitified government - which is by design. Nothing like making ordinary people hate government and law, so you can capture said government and law. Hook, line and sinker.
You should just call it the US Government, designed by US corporate, as the whole name, just to be honest with yourself.
Every Boeing plane needs to be grounded and Boeing operations suspended but they wont do that because its less profitable for them
I’ve noticed a pattern of companies making decisions on profit, Capitalists don’t see people as people
A pattern? That’s like business 101.
Remember to keep this Last Week Tonight video in mind each time a Boeing plane goes tits up: https://youtu.be/Q8oCilY4szc
What ever happened to those blended wing craft RealEngineering said were gonna kick the old fashioned fuselage’s ass soon?
Or high speed rail and/or blimps‽
- 737s/A320s are cheap and reliable (and blended wing still needs a lot of R&D)
- The U.S. govt. doesn’t want to pay for high speed rail, and it is worse for long distances or crossing bodies of water
- Blimps are slow and expensive
blimps are slow and expensive, but that doesn’t stop me from wanting one.
The blades are supposed to be contained by the inner cover in case of failure and that’s the most dangerous part besides a fire… hundreds of blades suddenly flying out radially, sometimes towards the plane, but mostly away.
Yeah if I have to trade screws, I say engine cover is less important than window or exit door screws.
So I haven’t found anything about how recently Southwest acquired this aircraft, but unless it’s really very new I’m pretty sure this is going to be more the fault of their maintenance department, and the fact that it’s another Boeing 737 is coincidental and unsurprising given how big a percentage of all airliners operating today ARE some version of the 737.
Jesus Boeing.
What the fuck.
Boeing don’t make engines.
To be fair, it’s nothing to do with them.
Why are you being downvoted? You are right.
Does Boeing sell plane kits? You have to source the engines separately? Or do they sell the whole plane?
Engines are manufactured by different companies. Boeing certifies its planes to work with such and such engines. Airlines may purchase them separately.
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