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Posting about it on Lemmy is pretty much the same as being in the revolutionary vanguard.
Vanguard means the front. So either you don’t know what that means, fam, or you’re being sarcastic. O:
Indeed
Sarcasm it is then. And a good comment, though I wish I knew it was sarcasm from the start :P
Hmm…one of these seems more important to do than the others…
Recycling right?
Recycling is literally the least important thing you can do (despite still being important).
The phrase “refuse, reduce, reuse, repurpose, recycle” is listed in order of importance.
I hate that they added more shit. “Reduce, reuse, recycle” was perfect.
“refuse” is literally the same thing as “reduce”
“repurpose” is a subset of “recycle”
What the fuck is it nowadays with wanting to tack on more useless shit to perfect mnemonics? Especially for a mnemonic whose entire point is to prevent wastefulness.
“repurpose” is a subset of “recycle”
Repurpose is reuse, just for a different use than originally intended.
Your point about reduce, reuse, recycle being enough is absolutely correct and all I ever hear about is the recycle part which is counterproductive when it is used to justify mass consumption and disposable products.
I’d think ‘repurpose’ is part of ‘reuse’ rather than recycle. Doesn’t recycle mean that you’re going to destroy the object to extract its raw resources to be made into a new product? Whereas ‘reuse’ just means that you are going to use it again. I’d say ‘repurpose’ means you are going to use it again, but not in the same way it was used the first time.
In any case, I agree that the added words are unnecessary. Maybe they were added to deliberately weaken the slogan. Sometimes people deliberately try to make sustainable living sound like a lot of work, by adding a whole lot of extra steps and conditions.
Repurpose is also similar to recycle though.
Because recycling’s entire point is to repurpose it into something else…
Which might be why people also want repurpose… but I’m old and RRR is better than RRRRR. A mnemonics entire point is ease of memory.
Recycle reuse damnit!
Cause people often misunderstand the meaning of words.
Just missing “revolution” in that list
It is also important to mention that most plastic recycling still ends up in landfills. Plastic recycling was sold as myth by big oil and plastics companies to make consumers think the waste problems magically disappeared.
Based on what do you say that? Any sources?
Hm, those are just saying it too, without data to back that up.
I mean, it’s really more of an intuitive kind of thing: recycling takes more than zero energy, while refusing or reducing take less than zero.
Okay, let’s look at it again: refuse - not buying it at all reduce - buy less reuse - use a thing multiple times for the same purpose repurpose - use a thing for a different purpose recycle - recovering (parts) of things
Why is buying less, without even specifying how much, automatically better than recycling (more of) the mountain of stuff anyone uses to live? (Note the indirect impact too, just because someone is rich and can outsource their impact does not make the net impact lower)
Also, many would see reuse and repurpose as forms of recycling. Like making trash bags from recycled plastic.
This is a complex topic and everything but simple.
EU Waste Framework Directive
https://environment.ec.europa.eu/topics/waste-and-recycling/waste-framework-directive_en
Recycling is not at the bottom there and generally it is not the same argument (not showing the different impacts of these things).
The bottom is disposal, and recovery is energy recovery - as in, burning it. Part of the disposal process.
Yes, recycling is the bottom for what individuals can do.
Recycling your glass bottles won’t negate the effect of a private jet taxing or a yacht sailing for 20 seconds even.
Always recycle. But don’t compare it to the incredible environmental impact the rich has on the planet. Everyone has equal rights of polluting. Some polluting is just necessary as a human life require energy to sustain. The rich and poor have the same quota.
Stop making it sound as if “the rich” are the sole producer of emissions. Everyone has their share in this problem. Some more, some less, some far more. 1 million average people reducing emissions a bit is still more than one “rich person” reducing it a lot.
Stop making it sound as if “the rich” are the sole producer of emissions. Everyone has their share in this problem.
Yeah, except it would be more accurate to say that the richest one percent have their 48 shares each.
1 million average people reducing emissions a bit is still more than one “rich person” reducing it a lot
So because each rich person isn’t responsible for a MILLION times as much, you want to pretend that they’re no worse at all? Fuck off with that nonsense!
Hahaha, that is not what I said. I said everyone is responsible for driving less, looking at what they are buying, flying less, … Instead of just throwing their arms in the air and saying the rich are to blame for everything. And note that probably all of us here are part of the world’s top 10 %, given how poor most of the world is.
I agree. The rich are the main problem, and that should be top priority. But that also shouldn’t be used as an excuse to not improve oneself personally. My suggestion is that people shouldn’t worry about aiming for personal idealism, but should just make a conscious effort to be less environmentally damaging than their peers, their family, work colleges, and friends. If a person achieves that, then they can be confident that they are not the problem.
[edit] Obviously if everyone did what I’m suggesting then it would be a kind of race-to-the-bottom. But that’s not happening. If it was, then we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place. All I’m suggesting is a rough heuristic for what’s reasonable for an individual to do on their own.
You are right, we should all do something. That’s why I solemnly pledge never to take a private jet and to not engage in Space tourism. I dare any billionaire to follow my lead.
Installing solar panels?
Wow, way to not care about the environment. If you’re suggesting systemic change that can work, then I’m just saying you should make half-assed unilateral sacrifices that aren’t working. Or else you’re a dirty hypocrite!
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No guillotining on a Monday then.
You still can, but you should promptly refrigerate. It is very important to keep food out of the danger zone of 4°-60°C, that’s 40°-140° in school shooting units.
glad to see my Guillotine-chan around here 🙂
Fun fact, billionaires are the only ethical meat
Don’t forget hypocrite celebs that own yachts.
The corporations made me buy a big ass SUV
They gave you the options you can choose from and they all suck.
There are plenty of options that arent trucks or SUVs
Sure. But where’s the option of a sedan where I can detach 75% of it when I just need to drive someplace alone? Where’s the electric car with 300 miles range under 30k?
You can hate on trucks all day long, and I do too because trucks suck, but we’re still stuck with horrible polluting expensive options that were designed with efficiency of cash flow as their primary goal.
bikes? mopeds, motorcycles? you dont need 300 miles of electric car range. none of this shit is any excuse to buy a big ass SUV
Most of North America has been built to prioritize the big ass SUV making the alternatives more difficult (farther distances) and often dangerous (bicycles gutters)
What part prioritizes big SUVs instead of cars?
Mostly government standards making bigger vehicles easier to pass emissions regulations.
Also wide lanes and large parking spots.
Oh thanks! Here I thought I knew myself, but thanks to you I now know myself even better!
track your miles tomorrow
Me personally? I own a Nissan leaf. I just don’t have a presumption to know everyone else’s lives.
Ah yes, a single day’s travel is the best way to figure out what kind of range someone needs.
For real, I was looking at the newer subaru models. Outside of the BRZ (which is a rebranded toyota 86) all of em are SUV. It’s insane
More like the Toyota 86 is a rebranded BRZ. The platform of both cars are made by Subaru, using the Subaru boxer engine, in a Subaru factory.
Oh my bad! I thought it was the opposite
Crosstrek is pretty awesome though. It’s basically just an off-road lifted Impreza. I mountain bike and climb a bunch and some times get onto some pretty questionable roads. It’s great to have something that handles that, but also feels more or less like a smallish 2.0l hatchback the rest of the time.
They are definitely getting bigger though this last year, and sad none of them are manual anymore. Luckily got the last model year that was
No manual is truly a shame
Some suck less than others.
Pretty much the only option.
Obama passed some great regulations to improve fuel economy and reduce pollution, but there’s different li.its for car type and an SUV is a truck standard so much easier tegs then sedans. That’s why you see so many SUV car things. It’s bullshit heaven forbid you do the right thing automakers.
Easier to get an car/SUV ev then a sedan, model y, Lexus option, Kia etc are all half way SUV with the functionality of a sedan is dumb.
https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/cars/versa-sedan.html
there’s you another goddamn option
Right give me electric hatchbacks and sedans. Then start funding public transit as we fix North American infrastructure gore.
Fix the transit first. It is far more environmentally friendly and it is more accessible to more people.
No fix me first! I am even more friendly and accessible but very lonely and kinda bummed out
Look the transit in my town is 3.9 times longer than driving also it is not connected to other towns as of yet. But I will support any initiative to get people out of cars. I don’t want to be forced to drive the one I have. Active transport/transit is the most sustainable and safest way to get around. Damn I really wish I was living in Amsterdam right now.
I will support any initiative
Well it’s not the hug i was looking for but you know what? Thanks :D
hugs
Why are you bummed out?
Aah i was just joshing but yeah i got some personal things going on, did some soul searching, and i don’t like the answer so far. Thanks accepts hug
Way to miss the forest for the trees.
the forest is personal vehicles make up the single largest source of emissions in the US, and SUV’s are by far the most sold new vehicles currently making up the majority of that.
SUVs are passenger vehicles, the emissions of which have been trending flat or lower year over year since about 2004. It’s not individual passenger vehicles, including SUVs, that’s the source of increasing emissions. https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2024-05/420f24022.pdf.
The forest that you’re missing is the fossil fuel industry driving decisions for what the hell we as consumers can even access, in nearly all sectors of the economy.
Yep and if we push harder for 4 day work weeks and work from home for everyone that can do so, emissions would plummet and we could still drive our SUVs…
And driving it around needless. Impressing peers is not natural and imposed by corporations.
If anything, impressing peers is very natural, it probably predates humans as a species
I know, it was sarcasm like the comment I replied to. Corporations are not to blame for everything.
Ah, you fell another innocent victim to Nathan Poe
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The worse enemy of public transport and other changes to cities are probably Nimbys and culture.
SUVs and trucks are more expensive than smaller cars.
2000 for a shitbox grand Cherokee vs 30000 for a hybrid.
Why are you comparing used to new? Spend that 2000 on a used Prius
Is there a way to take care of billionaires that’s not so hard to carry around on a bike?
Guillotine would transport well by bike, like a canoe or kayak…
- Secure the blade
- add wheels to heavier end
- add bike attachment to the other
In fact, you could even make the wheels reusable for a nice kayak trip after using the guillotine! Win win!
lets go through the third item a bit more in depth please
I’m sorry, best we can do is still allow you to invest in our stock market to hoard more so you can retire with a pittance through the magic money generation machine that requires unlimited GDP growth.
If you do nr. 3 the others will simply happen pretty much by themselves.
I’d argue if you just did #3 while changing nothing about the way we run our society, we would just need to repeat step 3 later down the line as new oligarchs and monopolies form and exploit us.
Fair enough… but you’'ll never get the chance to do something about “the way we run our society” if you don’t do #3. They don’t fund, train, arm, and exempt from accountability the fascists for shits and giggles.
Don’t forget about the decades of strife and chaos after giving a group power based on their willingness to kill their political opponents
People needs to realize this.
So wholesome :)
The guillotine is so well drawn and the bike is not… I think there a message there.
Hmm…one is not like the other.
It’s recycle isn’t it. As so much stuff you put into recycling doesn’t end up actually getting recycled.
c/penultimatepanel
I cannot see the image because it’s posted in the walled garden of #Cloudflare, which excludes me. Would someone please repost the image on an open-access instance or website so everyone can view it?
thanks!
No
I get the meme but consider watch this video. Makes you think.
Your video is interesting because I’m french, and there’s currently a comeback in the public space about Robespierre, that he wasn’t the monster the medias are trying to make of him. You can check some videos here:
- wikipedia’s page
- Cécile Obligi - La légende noire de Robespierre
- Robespierre, un terroriste ?
- LE GRAND MÉCHANT ROBESPIERRE
- ROBESPIERRE, DANTON, ETC : LES JACOBINS, AUX ORIGINES DE LA RÉPUBLIQUE
This means that the beginning of you video is most likely wrong about Robespierre.
After saying that, I don’t legitimate the usage of the guillotine, and most readers understood it is usually associated with the french revolution 😉
Rebellion is always illegal in the third person. While it is a less productive solution, guillotines are a perfectly legitimate cure for economic anxiety. It would be preferable for the Wealthy to be taxed fairly, however should the attempts to equalize the field fail, eventually the guillotine shall result. That is the whole point. It is a warning of History repeating, well rhyming any way, itself when society does not learn from said history.
we’ll see, but if it has to come to this, it will be a bloodshed.
Lemmy made your links unreadable. Not your fault just voicing my complaint.
Thanks, it was my fault, I edited my post.
Wow. Your video made me want to guillotine EVEN HARDER. It’s almost like the same shit happens in every revolution. But you know what, I’ll take my chances once I know the ones who are actively raping the planet are gone.
