Need to make a primal scream without gathering footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh facts of Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

  • sc_griffith@awful.systemsEnglish
    24·
    6 months ago

    thinking about how I was inoculated against part of ai hype bc a big part of my social circle in undergrad consisted of natural language processing people. they wanted to work at places with names like “OpenAI” and “google deepmind,” their program was more or less a cognitive science program, but I never once heard any of them express even the slightest suspicion that LLMs of all things were progressing toward intelligence. it would have been a nonsequiter.

    also from their pov the statistical approach to machine learning was defined by abandoning the attempt to externalize the meaning of text. the cliche they used to refer to this was “the meaning of a word is the context in which it occurs.”

    finding out that some prestigious ai researchers are all about being pilled on immanetizating agi was such a swerve for me. it’s like if you were to find out that michio kaku has just won his fourth consecutive nobel prize in physics

    • o7___o7@awful.systemsEnglish
      10·
      6 months ago

      it’s like if you were to find out that michio kaku has just won his fourth consecutive nobel prize in physics

      hell of a stinger

    • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      we have internal confirmation that the rabbit team is aware of this leaking of api keys and have chosen to ignore it

      european regulatory clarity approaching at mach 5 (that is if they ever sold this thing in EU)

    • self@awful.systemsEnglish
      7·
      6 months ago

      we have internal confirmation that the rabbit team is aware of this leaking of api keys and have chosen to ignore it. the api keys continue to be valid as of writing.

      but of course. rabbit’s done pretending they give a fuck now that their shit flopped (not that they gave much of a fuck to begin with)

  • deborah@awful.systemsEnglish
    17·
    6 months ago

    No, all you lawyers explaining to me how the practice of law works in the U.S., you would totally benefit from GPT. Complete with bonus:

    • Everyone explaining to me that lawyers actually read all the documents in discovery is really trying to explain to me, a computer scientist with 20 years of experience[1], how GPT works!
    • [1] Does OP have actual tech expertise? The answer may (not) surprise you!
    • You lawyers admit that sometimes you use google translate and database search engines, and those use machine learning components, and all ML is basically LLMs, so I’m right, Q.E.D.!
    • Lawyers couldn’t possibly read everything in discovery, right?
    • Lawyers couldn’t possibly pay for professional translation for everything, right?
    • Even when it’s mandated by the court?
    • Really?
    • and many, many more
    • Sailor Sega Saturn@awful.systemsEnglish
      16·
      6 months ago

      This is also a very qucik hypthetical that I wrote up just to show a point not to argue a fucking legal case.

      “Guys I totally didn’t expect the lawyers to respond like lawyers when reading my Chat-GPT generated garbage”

      Except… I admitted I was not a lawyer and not an expert, and rather than working to communicate they kept latching onto errors related to law, while they confidently made statements about the nature and functionality of ML technologies like LLMs and NMTs.

      “Why are all the lawyers being so mean to me?? I’m just saying they could all be replaced by chatbots”

    • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
      14·
      6 months ago

      I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. You’re also mansplaining to an expert. While I admit that I am not an expert on law and am listening when corrections related to LAW and the practice of LAW are concerned, you do not want to admit your lack of understanding of this technology.

      My god DANIEL, no, people are not mansplaining to you, unless that’s a mask for a Danielle.

      EDIT: Down the thread he responds to Kathryn Tewson, an actual expert, with

      Yeah I’m not obligated to answer every question by a horde of people. You should change your name to Karen, because you sure act like a fucking entitled white bitch.

      This guy has such a punchable face, even though I’ve never seen him. I can just tell.

      • Soyweiser@awful.systemsEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        Kathryn Tewson

        Iirc, She is not just an expert, but she is so good at law that while she didn’t practice law, but just commented about her interpretations of the law (as ANAL) people hired her and paid for her law degree. She has both talent and expertise.

    • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
      10·
      6 months ago

      I just want to latch onto one more thing there:

      GPTs are great at transforming information. Transformations include compression, decompression, and inter-language translation, among others.

      Okay mister computer scientist, sure, what is “transforming information”? From what you’re saying it appears like you’re describing basically any map from information to other information. But AMONG OTHERS that includes a map going from NO INFO to CONFIDENT BULLSHIT. And I do agree LLMs are amazing at it.

      Here, I’ll sketch it out for you in fucking LaTeX:

      $\emptyset \mapsto \mathit{Nonsense}$

    • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      studied maths and CS for 20 years, all he has to show for it on his orcid is BSc and bunch of lousy preprints (with blockchain!). jfc. in that amount of time, people can finish entire PhD degrees, starting from high school, twice over

      on top of that pile of shite sits a preprint titled “A Scholar’s Year in Review: Navigating the Convergence of AI, Economics, and Physics in 2023”. might be a bit grandiose and bordering on word salad. why the fuck does he think he needs to release preprints. if he had anything worthwhile to say, it would pass peer review

      • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        8·
        6 months ago

        he also has researchgate

        Looking to network with other researchers in a diverse array of fields for collaboration and discussion.

        bet you would want to, you time-waster

        aand his crowning achievement seems to be dead startup where he tries to put covid on blockchain, it has coin and everything. it’s even associated with worldcoin and so with sam altman. curious that

    • FRACTRANS@awful.systemsEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      I wish I was surprised at what the main account was posting about when I looked into it 😵‍💫

    • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      This thread is an unending source of amusement.

      Someone there found his ORCID and… It’s not great: https://orcid.org/0000-0003-2835-3521

      He has basically nothing published, but has like 40 different “preprints”, read PDFs he uploaded to arxiv with no peer review.

      I use these tools daily. I have also built software which utilizes genAI. I have also worked on fine-tuning GPTs. I have written extensive [sic!] on the topic. I also have formal training in mathematics, computer science, engineering, and anthropology1. [emph. mine]

      🤡

      1 No he doesn’t? His Education lists A.S. in Engineering, A.S. in Computer Science, and B.S. in Mathematics, that anthropology claim seems completely made up.

      • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        Those “papers” are gold, they’re mostly a few pages long, and they span such a wild range of topics as:

        • How to calculate a mean of numbers?
        • What is a number?
        • Atheism is actually a religion.
        • Ethereum is a store of energy.

        I’ve never seen someone in such a dire need of a wedgie, come on man, you spend the hours of your life writing your farts into LaTeX and generating DOIs for them, this isn’t healthy.

            • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              7·
              6 months ago

              he also has a personal site, it’s linked on researchgate. i took psychic damage reading this, somebody force him to touch grass

              • flere-imsaho@awful.systemsEnglish
                8·
                6 months ago

                oh goddess, he’s already a bleeding muppet, and going to be a major crank. from the researchgate profile:

                I am an aspiring polymath and a rōnin scholar. I also tend to look at questions, rather than fields of study, as a research question often does incorporate many disparate topics. Research interests include the psychological and anthropological nature of religion, vaccine efficacy and impact on asymptomatic carriage, and the application of paraconsistent logic to scientific research.

                rōnin! fucking! scholar!

                • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                  8·
                  6 months ago

                  eh i’ve seen that before at least once and i’m inclined to believe there’s much more of it that nobody cares to notice. on r/chemistry and r/organicchemistry there was a dude, 19, dramatic bitch, who read surface level philosophy and tried getting into ochem for some obscure reason. turns out he wanted to make some anticancer drugs and needs guidance. cool fine maybe get degree in ochem first so you don’t do any stupid avoidable mistakes. he won’t listen

                  he tried to get into uni but if i have to guess he got rejected? in any case he didn’t learn anything but over time got into contact with some research group, at least that’s what he claimed and started homelab. (you’d guess that some medchem research group at uni would have a wet lab, but it must be in other country and you’ve never seen them).

                  so anyway our misunderstood hero starts cooking “anticancer” “meds” in his living room. how does he know it works, did he made this, sent samples to biologists who would test it for him, or maybe compchem group would simulate it out? nope, he’d just got an idea that it will work and that’s just as good, you know, his supreme rationality unrecognized by academic cabal guided him there. so he starts cooking, but does not know how. this included shit like distilling some flammable solvent on wicker table without clamps or anything that would actually make glassware stable. so every other step he asks for advice on really basic shit like he’d learn in second year university course (BSc), or in first year of work in organic chemistry lab, his synthesis is avoidably dirty, his purifications are trash, three steps in he has painted himself into corner, yields drop to zero and he has no idea why or what now. this usually means that entire synthesis was shite from the beginning and it’s time to go back to the drawing board.

                  (did i mention that he was a dramatic bitch? so he picked it up because he wanted to do something Good for Humanity, and if he fails then well he could just as well commit sewer slide. his first idea involved radioisotopes btw, all in his living room mind you. then objective shifted to “anti-rabies antiviral” where he missed the point of about everything he wanted to do. then went back to “anticancer”)

                  anyway this was his breaking point, after something like three or four people tried to explain politely that he really should get a degree first and set some objective that is not obviously pulled from his supremely rational ass, he started insulting everyone and what eventually earned him sitewide ban was a tirade about how he’d genocide everyone who doesn’t recognize his genius, given opportunity (he compared himself to milosevic (he was serb))

                  anyway he also had medium blog and posted dick picks with face included from the same account. he made another one, but it’s since abandoned. allegedly he also had 2 or 3 accounts before that

                • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                  6·
                  6 months ago

                  if his claim of “20 years studying math” is anywhere close to accurate he’s already off the deep end, unless he’s counting in everything from kindergarten up. considering he’s a cryptobro it already happened pre-pandemic

                • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
                  3·
                  6 months ago

                  Hey, he didn’t update the website to include his research interest in AI, huh, wonder how long he’s been a samurai of that

        • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          7·
          6 months ago

          nothing wrong with papers a few pages long, as long as they are concisely written and have supplementary information 10x that size. my last paper is 5 pages long, of which the last one are references only, and has 60+ pages of SI

          • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
            10·
            6 months ago

            Dunno, the funniest thing about them to me is that they’re still divided into 7-8 sections, each one-paragraph long. Just a guy who was never told he was wrong in his life and his idea of what research looks like.

          • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
            4·
            6 months ago

            Jesus cinnamon crunch Christ. At least the blog posts are mercifully short. He somehow manages to have antivaxx nonsense there as well??

            This is doubly funny because that already exists, at least in Computer Science, and is called a vision paper. You still need to put in a lot of work, perhaps more, into the bibliography and, you know, actually having compelling stuff to say.

      • flere-imsaho@awful.systemsEnglish
        8·
        6 months ago

        A.S. in Engineering, A.S. in Computer Science

        wait, wait. that’s basically the bootcamp level of education, no?

        • flere-imsaho@awful.systemsEnglish
          8·
          6 months ago

          (nothing wrong with that per se, i don’t have any c. s. degree anyways and yet i work in the field for years. but the gall of a dude who has finished a few two-year courses to tell fucking law professionals that they don’t know enough… this is indeed the threadnought-level of recklessness.)

          • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            7·
            6 months ago

            the sheer hubris of that individual putting out preprints, as if making this available before peer review would hasten chatgpt rapture (none of that shite will be ever published)

        • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
          4·
          6 months ago

          I know essentally nothing about the US education system but…

          If you’re gonna pull credentalist bullshit, maybe at least have the credentials? You took us there mate, I wouldn’t be pulling your degrees up if you didn’t first talk about how formally educated you are…

      • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        6·
        6 months ago

        he does seem to have carefully cultivated case of engineer disease

        also it’s not “almost all” preprints, it’s all preprints, just one repository calls these papers

        he didn’t discover yet predatory journals, it all could have been published for a small fee like with this one (contains mind numbing level of conspiracy-theoretic rambling and related brainworms) hxxps://uraniumisagenocidegiant[.]com/ (you have been warned)

        • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
          6·
          6 months ago

          There’s one classified as “SSRN Electronic Journal 2023 | Journal article”, I thought this was something like a predatory journal, hence the “almost”, but now that I clicked on it I think this is just an arxiv-like website that calls itself an “electronic journal”? No fucking idea.

  • Sailor Sega Saturn@awful.systemsEnglish
    17·
    6 months ago

    Microsoft’s AI leader claimed that copyright on the internet can be ignored: https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/ever-put-content-on-the-web-microsoft-says-that-its-okay-for-them-to-steal-it-because-its-freeware

    With respect to content that is already on the open web, the social contract of that content since the 90s has been that it is fair use. Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it. That has been freeware, if you like. That’s been the understanding, there’s a separate category where a website or a publisher or a news organization had explicitly said, ‘do not scrape or crawl me for any other reason than indexing me so that other people can find that content.’ That’s a gray area and I think that’s going to work its way through the courts.

    Watch the entire interview if you’re bored because he is in deep. Microsoft probably just hired the most AI-enthused person they could find.

    • Eiim@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      13·
      6 months ago

      I think even wilder is that he thinks content which has explicitly been labeled “do not scrape except for search engine indexing” is a “gray area” with regards to scraping for AI. Like, that’s exactly what it says not to do!

    • Soyweiser@awful.systemsEnglish
      12·
      6 months ago

      He isn’t totally wrong re the unspoken rule, but he forgets the second unspoken rule, that the first rule only applies to human being doing entertainment not corporations trying to make money.

    • o7___o7@awful.systemsEnglish
      12·
      6 months ago

      Never thought I’d see Microsoft suggest downloading a car, but I should have seen it coming.

    • 200fifty@awful.systemsEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it

      Ew… stay away from my content, you creep!

    • David Gerard@awful.systemsMEnglish
      6·
      6 months ago

      Here’s the whole thing from that great quote. Sorkin is not a hard-hitting interviewer, but he just asks the incredibly obvious questions and Suleyman swerves and dodges like a MF while pronouncing at him in an English listen-to-me-you-pleb voice.

  • gerikson@awful.systemsEnglish
    14·
    6 months ago

    The Death of the Junior Developer

    Steve Yegge goes hard into critihype, there’s no need for any junior people anymore, all you need is a senior prompt engineer. No word on what happens when the seniors retire or die off, guess we’ll have AGI by then and it’ll all work out. Also no word on how the legal profession will survive when all the senior prompt engineer’s time is spend rewriting increasingly meaningless LLM responses as the training corpus inevitably degenerates from slurm contamination.

    • Sailor Sega Saturn@awful.systemsEnglish
      12·
      6 months ago

      If I had a nickle for every time on June 27th 2024 I’ve read someone argue that chatbots make lawyers obsolete I’d have two nickles. Which isn’t a lot of money but it’s weird that it happened twice.

      As a “senior” programmer; my coworkers, even the newer ones are people. They can think. They are professional. I can describe problems to them and eventually get solutions, or at least sensible follow-up questions. I don’t have to baby them or “prompt engineer” stuff I tell them. I can just sit back and drink my hot cocoa and occasionally try to sound distinguished while my juniors do all the hard work.

      Chatbros have discovered that you can get a chatbot to string together tutorials from the net into simple programs that almost work with some finangling. Somehow they never realized that you could always do this by web searching for “socket example I hate unix please make it gentle”. Of course none of this generalizes to anything complex or not in the training set (read: anything that anyone will actually pay you to do), but the Chatbros don’t care because they were never doing real work in the first place.

    • flere-imsaho@awful.systemsEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      this is such a sad slop. i wouldn’t guess it’s yegge, it’s so far from his style when he used to write himself.

    • Soyweiser@awful.systemsEnglish
      10·
      6 months ago

      Funny, as I also assume LLMs will cause the death of the Junior Developer, but not because the job dissapears, but because due to relying on LLMs devs never really build the skills to understand software and will suck so hard people will not hire them for the junion -> senior positions. And it gets even worse for the junior dev when the LLMs enshittify (either by the output degrading or the deal altering more and more pray they don’t alter the deal further).

      Guess the difference of opinion here is calling people who use LLMs junior devs vs calling them senior devs.

      I’m oddly reminded of the person who used copilot to write a script to do something (which they offered to others), and didn’t know what http errors meant. (they just asked the LLM how to fix it).

        • Mike Knell@blat.at
          9·
          6 months ago

          @dgerard @Soyweiser I thought we were SREs now. At least, the message for years was “Sysadmins are useless shit now because they aren’t software engineers and hell, they don’t even call themselves engineers”.

            • Mike Knell@blat.at
              9·
              6 months ago

              @dgerard Sometimes I feel like a hospital doctor who’s worked in the clap clinic for decades and has had a series of name badges starting with “Venereal Disease” and passing through “Special Clinic” on the way to “Sexual Health Clinic”. Same thankless job, just different labels.

              • rook@awful.systemsEnglish
                9·
                6 months ago

                Same basic lessons, too… “consider the risks of giving root privileges to people you just met”, etc.

              • David Gerard@awful.systemsMEnglish
                6·
                6 months ago

                I don’t feel like any great shakes as a sysadmin, then I encounter someone with the same job title who has clearly never used a command line before

        • Soyweiser@awful.systemsEnglish
          8·
          6 months ago

          Wait there are people who cannot use the command line. No wait again, don’t answer that please.

              • self@awful.systemsEnglish
                7·
                6 months ago

                having seen the horror from a distance: VNC, a fuckton of clicking, occasionally mouse and keyboard macros, possibly a networked KVM (itself not a bad idea at all for emergency access to hardware too commodity or misdesigned to have a sensible serial console, but we’re talking day to day here), and a massive chip on their shoulder about being forced off their beloved Windows Server 2003 and onto Linux

                • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
                  6·
                  6 months ago

                  How do they sysadmin a server that doesn’t have any display devices aside from the terminal then? Which in my experience is almost all of them?

                • David Gerard@awful.systemsMEnglish
                  6·
                  6 months ago

                  I have had the actually quite heartwarming experience of us hiring on a serious NT BOFH (someone who knows precisely how to wave a hammer at NT to intimidate it) and he sees how Linux does stuff and is trepidatious but eventually delighted

                  then there are others

                  i’m at like the pointy-clicky stage with NT admin and sometimes it’s just not enough, cos it’s Babby’s First OS but with several layers of tentacles underneath

  • Amoeba_Girl@awful.systemsEnglish
    13·
    6 months ago

    You know what would be awesome is if there was a way to easily see new posts to a thread, like if the “New” button actually put New posts on top. Maybe lemmy truly is too janky for that but it’s a shame because I just start to ignore threads after a while.

    • antifuchs@awful.systemsEnglish
      6·
      6 months ago

      I recently learned there is a page showing just the comments of the communities you are subscribed to; that works for me because this space is so incredibly low-traffic, but I guess falls apart if you use that account to follow higher-traffic chatter.

  • slopjockey@awful.systemsEnglish
    12·
    6 months ago

    What do normal people - people who don’t pay for twitter, or sneer at rationalists - think of Twitter atp?

    Went on to Twitter (my mistake) after seeing Inside Out 2 because it’s the latest kid’s movie to feature [trope that I found passe that I can’t figure out how to spoil inline] and I see a post on my feed from “HBD Chick”.

    And I’m like okay, that has to be “happy birthday, right?”. Nah, her third retweet is creamy porno redux.

    Just like all the other right wingers and embarrassingly enthusiastic neoliberals and occasional Musk fans, I don’t follow her or anybody that follows her, there’s literally no connection or personal interest.

    I feel like the post Elon shift is really understated for how bad the site’s gotten. Like I see more people talk about how Instagram reels is racist than I do about the average twitter replies section. I know a lot of left leaning people fled for bluer pastures, but I’m surprised you don’t see more buzz about it from regular, non-power users.

      • gerikson@awful.systemsEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        It’s pretty amazing that this so-called genius spent $44B on a company without apparently knowing anything about how the market it operates in (advertising) actually works.

        • Soyweiser@awful.systemsEnglish
          9·
          6 months ago

          I assume some PR departments of potential advertisers saw that and went ‘lower the twitter spend more!’, I’m imaging the Futurama joke where Fry talks to investors while stock price tally is running live behind him.

          • gerikson@awful.systemsEnglish
            16·
            6 months ago

            Twitter’s main issue is that it’s not really very big. It wasn’t big even pre-Musk. If you have the choice between advertising on a really big social network (Meta (=FB, IG, Whatsapp…)) with a functioning trust & safety team and ad brokers who take you seriously and don’t accuse you of being woke, and one which has way smaller reach, no T&S to speak of, and whose owner can use his outsized influence to call your CEO a pedo whenever the ketamine kicks in, the choice is clear.

    • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
      12·
      6 months ago

      First of all, most of my “normal” acquaintances never used Twitter anyway.

      Most of the ones that did just quit when it got weird and dominated by useless suggestions and creepy ads.

      I had one friend last week in a group chat go “Twitter is so racist nowadays innit”, to which I said ye, why you still using it, and he responded “you’re right” and stopped.

    • gerikson@awful.systemsEnglish
      8·
      6 months ago

      I wish I knew any normal people so I could give input.

      Personally my Twitter pre-Elon was pretty curated. I never really “got” a big part of it unless it spilled over in other channels (I never heard of “Black people Twitter” on Twitter, only from Buzzfeed or similar). I also disengaged from US political Twitter hard after the 2016 election. So it’s possible I could still be using it and swearing over bots etc. without being overly affected, but I locked my account as an act of principle shortly after he took over.

      • carlitoscohones@awful.systemsEnglish
        6·
        6 months ago

        Same here - I had a very small universe curated for myself. I didn’t leave immediately, but when I did, there were a whole lot more weird ads and bots and stuff in my feed. I think that I only ever saw prøn once, and I was actually shocked that it even existed on Twitter.

    • slopjockey@awful.systemsEnglish
      6·
      6 months ago

      Note: all the talk I mention is online talk. Nobody in my irl life talks about social media dynamics ever, thank GOD

      • Soyweiser@awful.systemsEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        Only time non-online people I know IRL talk about it is when they ask me the most basic of basic stuff.

  • froztbyte@awful.systemsOPEnglish
    11·
    6 months ago

    okay at this point I should probably make a whole-ass perplexity post because this is the third time I’m featuring them in stubsack but 404media found yet more dirt

    … which included creating a series of fake accounts and AI-generated research proposals to scrape Twitter, as CEO Aravind Srinivas recently explained on the Lex Fridman podcast

    According to Srinivas, all he and his cofounders Denis Yarats and Johnny Ho wanted to do was build cool products with large language models, back when it was unclear how that technology would create value

    tell me again how lies and misrepresentation aren’t foundational parts of the business model, I think I missed it

    • gerikson@awful.systemsEnglish
      13·
      6 months ago

      A couple of examples Srinivas gave on the podcast is “Who is Lex Fridman following that Elon Musk is also following,” or “what are the most recent tweets that were liked by both Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.”

      Questions asked by the terminally deranged.

      • Soyweiser@awful.systemsEnglish
        10·
        6 months ago

        Or somebody looking for ‘the worst posts online’ cringe compilation. Musks CEOs must be able to build their companies products not be able to read spreadsheets was a good example.

    • Sailor Sega Saturn@awful.systemsEnglish
      10·
      6 months ago

      How can someone implement that and not just be constantly thinking “I really really really do not want to be prosecuted under the CFAA, I should not be doing this”.

      Ethics clearly don’t really work in this profession, so schools should hammer home legal liability as well.

      • froztbyte@awful.systemsOPEnglish
        9·
        6 months ago

        Ethics clearly don’t really work in this profession, so schools should hammer home legal liability as well.

        I’ve thought about this a bunch in the past, and tbh the only answer I’ve come to over many forms of it is “fuck the fucking USA”

        it’s a place that is structurally built to allow for that kind of evasion and abuse to happen

        • mountainriver@awful.systemsEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          As long as line goes up nobody knows how rich the perps will be.

          And if you don’t know how rich the perps will be, how will you know if and how hard they should be punished?