Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.

How to watch it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html

"The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International and CNN en Español, and via streaming on Max for subscribers and without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks.

You can also follow CNN’s live debate coverage on CNN.com, which will include analysis and fact checking."

"According to parameters set by CNN in May, all participating debaters had to appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold to win the presidency and receive at least 15% in four separate national polls of registered or likely voters that meet CNN’s standards for reporting.

Polls that meet those standards are those sponsored by CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post."

Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!

tl;dw:

Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.

The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.

  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
    411·
    3 days ago

    If Biden is going to be replaced it has to be a huge name like AOC or Bernie. It’s too late to campaign anyone newer

    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldOPM
      122·
      3 days ago

      AOC technically won’t be old enough until October 13th, which I guess isn’t a problem for being sworn in in January. But I don’t see people voting for someone who just qualified weeks before the election.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        22·
        3 days ago

        I think technically she’s qualified now because she would be old enough when she takes office.

        The larger problem is her gender and progressiveness. If Democrats switch horses now they need twice the amount of money and the most solid of supports.

        Also, this is why we should have had a real primary. This would have come out months ago and he could have gracefully stepped aside.

    • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
      3·
      2 days ago

      The best we could get from the DNC would be to have Biden resign and Kamala step in… Technically she’d be “the incumbent”… She’d probably still lose though

    • nieminen@lemmy.world
      51·
      2 days ago

      Wish Bernie were an option, but he’s got medical issues that make him ineligible.

      • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
        3·
        2 days ago

        Ineligible? Bernie could be on his death bed, he’d still be more “eligible” than Trump or Biden. Honestly, at this point, does the US even have eligibility requirements for POTUS?

        • nieminen@lemmy.world
          3·
          2 days ago

          Look, I agree with you. But the laws are already in place to require a certain amount of physical stability. In the current context, that’s just plain nuts, I’d pick just about any other democrat over Biden. Who knows, maybe he’ll reject the nomination (like he probably should). And we’ll get AOC or Harris or something.

    • Zink@programming.dev
      2·
      2 days ago

      I personally agree that one of those two being President would be great.

      But then I think of the cold hard reality of who I share this country with. All the people out there who, in the face of Trump being Trump, can somehow be undecided or unlikely to vote. They just don’t seem like the type to get off their ass for somebody who will be characterized as extreme.

      We here know they aren’t extremists. We know they’re basically centrists within the larger civilized world. But ignorance is a huge part of the problem for the US voters who are indifferent enough towards Trump that they aren’t already lining up to vote for Biden or anybody who takes his place.

      • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
        3·
        2 days ago

        Unlikely to vote= because there’s no one worth voting for

        Undecided= probably mostly non existent

        Run a Bernie or AOC and pull far more “unlikely to vote” people off the bench than the handful of fence riders it’ll lose

        No one who was going to vote for Joe wouldn’t vote for Bernie… It’s not like anyone is voting FOR Joe, they’re just voting against Trump, and if that means Bernie then so be it

    • Xerø@infosec.pub
      21·
      2 days ago

      Kamala Harris cannot be bypassed, if you do that say goodbye to the Black votes that you will need to win this. What you is a good old boy from the Midwest of the south to be her VP pick.

    • StaySquared@lemmy.world
      210·
      2 days ago

      Bro… AOC??? And I’m not stating this as a fact, but if Bernie became president and hiked up taxes for the wealthy, the wealthy will more than likely move their business to other nations. We need more jobs here and Bernie would cause job losses.

      • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
        7·
        2 days ago

        Oh no, the rich will keep doing what they’ve been doing for 50 years!

        Bernie would tax the shit out of the rich and use that to create tons of jobs… Maybe not useless McDonald’s jobs though… more like rebuilding the infrastructure jobs

      • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
        4·
        2 days ago

        You are brainwashed if you think they will move their business to other countries. Number 1: they can’t. Number 2: moving to another country means they will lose the number 1 market in the world. Number 3: they still have to pay taxes on any money earned in the US.

          • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
            4·
            2 days ago

            Moving operations and moving your business are 2 different things. No one is going to stop doing business here. You are very naive if you think labor costs and taxes will kill businesses. Who exactly is going to sell products here if everyone works in India or China?

            • StaySquared@lemmy.world
              22·
              2 days ago

              We just witnessed businesses killed in California from the minimum wage increase. And if not killed, job losses:

              Last September, Gov. Gavin Newsom signed California Assembly Bill 1287 into law, which includes a $20 per hour minimum wage for fast-food workers and a fast-food regulatory council which has the authority to raise the industry’s minimum wage annually. But between last fall and January, California fast-food restaurants cut about 9,500 jobs, representing a 1.3 percent change from September 2023.

              On April 1, a Fosters Freeze location in Lemoore, California — about three hours north of Los Angeles — shut down. That happened to be the same day the new minimum wage, which is now $20 an hour rather than $4, kicked in for fast food workers. Some employees thought that the closure was an April Fool’s joke.Apr 13, 2024

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-eQdjysM7I

              • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
                21·
                2 days ago

                What does that have to do with increased taxes? Again your business knowledge is severely lacking. Yes it’s very easy to scapegoat taxes and wages and claim that’s why your business closed when it was always poor business management. Payroll wages is tax deductible if you didn’t know.

                • StaySquared@lemmy.world
                  21·
                  2 days ago

                  That ice cream shop was established decades ago… many people in the area enjoyed going there. It had nothing to do with poor business management. Stop making excuses for taxing business owners exponentially.

                  lol poor business management. good grief.