• idiomaddict@feddit.de
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      5 months ago

      Not eating pork or shellfish with food preservation techniques available 6,000 years ago is definitely backed by science

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        5 months ago

        Yeah, but outdated science doesn’t count. That’s just how science works.

        Also, you don’t have to be a scientist to avoid clearly spoiled seafood. Especially in the desert.

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          4 months ago

          No, that’s the thing. It IS still relevant and fully correct for what it meant to do. Just because someone invented better preservation techniques doesn’t magically make shellfish or pork less FBI prone than other food. That is and will always be true.

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            4 months ago

            That’s not science, though.

            They didn’t arrive at “don’t eat spoiled seafood” or “because the bacteria will make you sick”.

            They arrived at “don’t eat any seafood, ever” and “because magic sky daddy says so and will punish you if you disobey”

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              4 months ago

              Well, think about all those people who heard “rotten foot will make you sick” and said “don’t tell me how to live my life!”

              Kinda makes sense to threaten that kind of person with fire.

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                4 months ago

                What about the ones who heard “not ALL seafood will make you sick, here’s how you can tell which i-” and set THAT person on fire?

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              4 months ago

              You yourself called it “outdated science”, so please do not play the semantics game.

              You are completely waxing over that EVERYTHING in religion gets boiled down to, “skydaddy says so”. That does not and will never mean that is the actual etymology of the rule…

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                4 months ago

                You yourself called it “outdated science”

                My mistake. My second pass at it was much more accurate.

                You are completely waxing over that EVERYTHING in religion gefs boiled down to, “skydaddy says so”

                Nope, I’m deliberately alluding to that fact and how it makes religion inherently unscientific. Sorry for being too subtle.

                That does not and will never mean that is the actual etymology of the rule

                We don’t have any proof that scientific experiments were conducted and thoroughly studied to reach the conclusion either. Science is as much about the methods as the result.

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                  4 months ago

                  Nobody disagrees that religion is not up to modern scientific standards.

                  That wasn’t the point. At all. The point is that modern science still says they were on to something. The premise is right answer, wrong reason, so if religion isn’t science … you’re simply agreeing with the whole reason those rules were mentioned in this discussion: (sortof) right answer, wrong reasons.

                  I’m positive it wasn’t simply, “god says so”, but probably because everyone noticed people who ate them got sick more often, and attributed ills befalling them as a message from God. It happens all the time in religion. It still stems from something real, just misattributed to God, as usual.

                  In either case, the rules are still valid examples of, “something modern science (sort of) agrees with”.

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                    4 months ago

                    The premise is right answer, wrong reason

                    Not even that, no. Rotten seafood ≠ all seafood.

                    The point is that modern science still says they were on to something

                    Nope. Modern science explains things that they didn’t know.

                    They arrived at something that wasn’t completely incorrect in the same way as they arrived at “that burning bush talking must be sky daddy rather than my imagination”.

                    That’s not “being on to something”. That’s “blind hen can also find corn” territory.