Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez came out in support of President Joe Biden amid growing calls in the Democratic Party for Biden to drop out of the 2024 race.
And preferably, name someone who has announced their candidacy.
A list of people you’d like in the job isn’t as relevant. I would’ve accepted almost any of the names people had floated, had any of them publicly shown interest.
But here we are with people often demanding Jon Stewart and Michelle Obama throw their hats in the ring, and that’s two people who keep saying they aren’t interested.
No one who wants to run in 2028 is going to run against the incumbent President unless that President is incredibly weak.
Biden in 2020 was solid, but even he had a close win over Trump. Biden 2022 was starting to show signs of wear (understandably so), but planning for 2024 made sense. Not my favorite choice, but I don’t think it was necessarily wrong. 2024 SOTU Biden scared Republicans so much they made up all sorts of drug rumors.
Jump to 1st Debate 2024 Biden. That was his first real misstep. Biden can recover from this.
Biden was far from my first choice in 2020, but he’s done a great job. He needs to get out there and prove it. Showcase what he’s done and pitch a plan for a future America.
Right now I don’t know if Biden can do that. I saw parts of it during the debate, but I want more. Biden should be able to convince his own party he has what it takes to win. Biden isn’t incredibly weak at the moment, but he’s getting weaker.
At the end of the day I’m voting for Biden (or his replacement) because I believe in Democrat policy. I’m not just voting “against Trump”, I believe Democratic policy is better for Americans and the American people. Republican policy, especially under Trump, isn’t even worth considering, it’s fascism and I don’t mean that hyperbolically.
If Biden can’t beat Democrats, Biden can’t beat Trump and that’s a big fuckin concern to me.
Also, since you’re looking for a name, Newsom has made it clear he is going to run in 2028. Will he run if Biden steps down? That’s debatable. It’s going to be a tough race and a loss in 2024 probably means no chance of running in 2028. There is a chance no one can beat Trump (and that’s even scarier).
(Also to anyone on the fence, Fuck Trump. Get your ass to the voting booth on election day and vote Biden.)
They keep asking for names then stop responding when you give them one. Hilariously unserious people who just want to scream that we have zero other options as loud as possible.
Well yeah, it’s standard bad faith practice to keep getting stuck on ‘name someone’. That question is an obvious mind-trap that stifles the real point no one from the pro Biden camp wants to concede: Biden is an objectively bad candidate that may lose.
This bad faith argument is not their creation, nor does it really matter.
The DNC will not listen to its constituents (let alone a Lemmy thread)and hold a primary to let Democrats choose a different candidate. No one paying any attention believes that.
The argument serves two purposes i think, to skirt around the fact the DNC doesn’t represent us and won’t hold a primary no matter what , and to keep any real discussion of ranked choice or third party voting from even starting.
Because the DNCs plan to run against fascists forever only works if we stay in a FFTP system like this
Because they don’t want to undermine the party and an incumbent candidate. But, if the party opened it up and asked, “Who wants to be President?,” there’d be a rush like Black Friday.
There were 27 candidates for the nomination in 2020, but none of them are still interested?
You’re not wrong (generally speaking…I’m not interested, I’m entirely untrustworthy, and no one who knows me wants me in that position), but they’re not going to run so it’s moot.
We’d love to, but Biden killed primaries and caucuses. And there’s not a Democrat in existence that will go up against the DNC’s hand-picked candidate after their behavior over the last decade.
To be clear, I’m planning to vote against trump unless somehow biden gets replaced with someone worse than trump (~0% chance that happens, but still)
that said, I don’t know a single person who’s happy with biden or excited that he’s the candidate, and frankly I doubt the sanity of anyone excited about him as much as I doubt bidens sanity (whereas with people voting for trump the insanity is crystal clear). I don’t know for sure who would be better, kamala might be the best bet, but being able to get through a debate without gibberish word salad sentences should be an obvious requirement
It should be, but the time and place for it was in the primaries, not when you’re up against another word salad candidate with a die hard rock solid base.
This is the problem with Leftists. Y’all censor or cancel anyone with opposing viewpoints, and then you get trapped by your own bubble and confused by how it doesn’t jive with reality, so you make up conspiracy theories to explain the difference.
Honestly a huge part of it was the “if you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black!” yeah I know the yuppies got all offended but the reaction I saw among poor Black people was more like hell yeah, tell it like it is.
Biden has a Black VP. He was the VP to a Black man - someone who looks like a caricature of an old racist white man willingly put himself subservient to a Black man and actually seemed happy about it.
They don’t really know his policies, though they know about Obamacare, the infrastructure bill, and the IRA. They don’t care about Israel or Palestine. They don’t care about student loans. They know he speaks out against racism. They are a little uncomfortable with how he speaks favorably about “the gays” but they’ll let that slide.
They know whenever a Republican bastard does some Republican bastard shit, Biden is there fighting against it.
They know that when Kamala blasted him for opposing school bussing decades ago, he said he was wrong for it and apologized.
They see a man who fundamentally wants what’s best for them.
I remember when RBG said the same thing. “Who would you rather see on the court other than me?” The answer is literally anyone else, but they ended up with that one rapist
JB Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer, perhaps Gavin Newsom. Even Kamala Harris would have a better chance than Biden. Next to no one is voting Democratic because of Biden, people are voting against Trump. You could swap in literally anyone who isn’t 90% corpse and get at least as good a result, and almost certainly better. This idea that people would be turned off the Democrats because Joe Biden wasn’t the candidate is a joke and I don’t understand why anyone would be under the impression.
I would be willing to believe JB could do it. don’t know enough about Whitmer, think that Newsom has a chance but could just as easily be a Mitt Romney, and personally think you’re a little out to lunch if you actually think Kamala would win when Hilary didn’t.
Post debate polls have had Harris up on Biden in swing states. Could she win? Maybe, maybe not. But it looks like she’d at least lose less badly than Biden. His debate performance was a death blow.
Kamala has been polling better then Biden. the problem isn’t her popularity, it’s Biden looking like he’s died but doctors have refused to call it so they keep dragging him around. he even tried to salvage his debate performance with an interview with Stephanopoulos and still looked dead.
idk if anyone believes he can take another 4 years without the doctors finally calling it and Kamala replacing him anyway. like, people who think Kamala can’t be a better president than TFG would probably vote TFG anyway.
also it’s not like Biden won last time because everybody loves him. no one does. I’ve never seen an actual fan. he won mostly through negative partisanship against TFG.
Yes, Literally anybody! What a silly premise for question… This is Hillary Clinton all over again. Democrats are being force fed the worst possible candidate we can get.
With that said, Kamala Harris is the best answer I think, for logistical reasons. But let her choose a good running mate that may bring some excitement and I think the democratic voters may come out to vote.
I already told you my two requisistes, three if you count having a pulse, you should ask the DNC what people their donors would allow to run. I’m sure they have a list of marketable 45-65 white heirs who would love to keep everything exactly as is they’d support.
you should ask the DNC what people their donors would allow to run
Which in my opinion is perfectly fucking fine. Biden is the guy the DNC donors allowed. We’re not going to get something different from his delegates or the establishment he shaped. I’m not in this fight because I sense an opportunity for policy gains, I just want the next egotistical ancient political figure to not drag us all down with them in their decline. I’m happy with just getting a pulse.
It may also be a little late to introduce a new candidate, unless they have great name recognition. Betcha Bernie 2.0 would mobilize a goodly number of people, while centrists would hold their noses, and just vote for Not Trump.
Bernie isn’t running, and Biden isn’t quitting, so we take what we can get. At this point, I would literally vote for a loofah if it ran against Trump.
The current vice president, who also is the vice presidential candidate, and who Biden’s campaign itself says is qualified to replace if he’s incapacitated? You know, the one that’s already effectively a candidate for the presidency because no one believes Biden will last 4 years?
If your takeaway from that article is “the debate didn’t hurt Biden”, the article entitled “Biden suffers less polling damage than expected…”, then I have some doubts about your ability to recognize your own bias.
Democrats can’t name someone until Biden agrees or they have a majority ready to try to force him out. It really is Biden’s decision to step aside. The issue is the polls are saying he should step aside, and it looks like he wants to lose.
Dude, anyone. Who in the democratic party is more corrupt than Trump? To paraphrase Biden himself, there are at least fifty people that could win against Trump.
I hope Biden is one of the fifty right now… But I am not certain.
I wonder how much of it is just undermining Biden. I lump this in with the “just any third party” people. It doesn’t make sense unless your goal is to just undermine Biden to bemoan his situation and the party without rallying behind something more specific. The “just any third party” implies the person is equally stoked about the chances of a Green Party or a Libertarian candidate, which makes no sense given the vastly different platforms.
Kamala Harris. Pete Buttigieg. Fucking anyone else. I’d rather vote for Mitt Romney than Donald Trump; we don’t need Biden.
But your question is obviously made in bad faith. You will argue that anyone we name is unelectable. Meanwhile, the framework of the discussion ignores Biden’s own questionable electability.
I disagree. My logic is as follows:
Premise 1. Joe Biden cannot beat Trump
Premise 2: Virtually any other democrat can beat Trump
Conclusion: If we want to beat Trump, Biden should step down and be replaced by virtually any other Democrat
I don’t think the opinion “the man who has control of the nuclear arsenal is showing signs of senility and should not serve another 4 years regardless of who replaces him” is not an unreasonable one
When the current only alternative is someone with clearly worse faculties and intentions, it obviously fucking is. Again, name who you think can beat him. Go ahead.
this is kinda a ridiculous request. The DNC should be the ones actively finding and presenting alternatives. If it was any other election year what if something happened to their primary candidate?
No one publicly shows interest because the party prevents any alternative. Anyone trying to run is accused of trying to break up the party, look at what happened to Bernie.
I advocated for Bernie, during the primaries, when it was time to choose a Democratic candidate. Note that that time is not now. Now is the time where a democratic candidate need to beat Trump. Do you think even swapping Bernie in now that he could beat Trump?
The media attention from him replacing Biden would surely get the word across. The right-wing media would help name recognition by running a smear campaign. And, as everyone keeps saying, we are literally voting for “Not Trump” at this point. “Not Trump” doesn’t have to be Biden.
Of course not, because the media and DNC refused to give him any traction when he did run. That doesn’t preclude anyone finding out, if they had the wherewithal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich
At any rate, demands for s name were made, one was given. This guy is mostly middle of the road and the DNC still considered him enough of a threat, they absolutely will not give him time of day, because he threatens the corporate -beholden status quo in just s couple of the wrong right ways.
It wouldn’t be if there were an alternative who was not showing similar or worse signs of senility. When both of the only feasible candidates have the same issue, that issue is mostly moot.
This continues to be a disingenuous meme response. If they named a name you’d complain that they were trying to install their choice rather than have an open selection process.
My best alternative choice would be Bernie but I don’t think he’d actually beat Trump because he’d lose some centrists, doesn’t seem particularly less old, and hasn’t held presidential office before. What’s your choice?
It’s two separate questions, and the second has basically only two answers: it’s either Harris or some sort of open contest voted on by the delegates. Most “replace” voices don’t care which of those options is selected nearly as much as they care that the guy who’s going to lose can’t be the nominee.
And my personal choice is “I don’t care”. Harris is fine, the governors are fine, Buttigieg is unlikely but fine. I’m not going to pretend the party or Biden’s own delegates is going to choose a progressive. None of them is going to cause a seismic shift in the candidate’s policy except for getting a chance to choose a better message on Israel and any will fulfill the need of ditching the losing incumbent who only made the race worse in his one key public appearance. Their one and only qualification is that unlike Biden, they might not lose. And that’s plenty for me.
So basically your answer is you don’t care because you’re pissing your pants scared right now.
Harris won’t beat him, literally everyone knows that, which is why no one is suggesting her. Your idea of pitting “I dunno whoever the dems elect, they’re probably fine” is quite frankly preposterous on its face. Pick someone and advocate for them, or learn to shut up and not scream chicken little.
No I asked for names because tearing down options without presenting new ones is what Russian propagandists do. Not what people who don’t want Trump to win do.
Franken comes off just as old and won’t win over centrist voters, Harris is possibly less charismatic than Clinton, Buttigieg would be a great president and I would support his candidacy all the way, but realistically I don’t know if America would rally behind him by November, Newsom might but he might also be a Mitt Romney, Whitmer I don’t know enough about.
If you wanna champion Biden to step aside for Franken, go for it, but I quite frankly have an extremely hard time seeing him beat Trump.
I don’t think that’s a disingenuous response. I can name a lot of people I liked who ran in the primaries in '20 as well as a slew of up and coming names. I don’t think they have as strong a chance as Biden.
Like many have already said, I think that focusing on a lackluster debate (in which he actually responded well based on the content of his responses and the policy he promoted) is not the way to go about this.
As much as I like other names for the presidency, I think Biden is our best shot at staving off disaster and he did get a lot done with the Inflation Reduction Act. Another four years of that policy trajectory is definitely something I can get behind. That’s at least a step in the right direction.
And I think Biden is going to lose and any of the shortlist names have a reasonable chance of injecting some life into the party and most importantly haven’t been fatally damaged, not by “a lackluster debate”, but by being unable to make coherent responses. Biden had lackluster debates in the 2020 primary, that didn’t invalidate him from being nominee, because it was just a poor performance, not indications that at least some of the time he’s incoherent.
You are assuming that the debate invalidated Biden for everyone else just because you feel that way. You also are very confident in your prediction of Biden losing, to the point of absurdity. Somehow you can predict the future now? Go on reference the “polls”!
All the (very liberal) late night hosts are making fun of him. Members of Congress are publicly saying he should step down. Donors are publicly abandoning him. Half of Democrats think he should step down. It doesn’t need to be everyone. He doesn’t have headroom to lose practically anyone.
Go on reference the “polls”!
I would never want to give you fake news. Stop the steal.
I’m just saying that not everyone thinks the president is some god king of America, and that democrats lead as a party anyways so what would it matter if Biden turns into a senile puppet until he dies, to be replaced by the next democrat who will follow the exact same policies as Biden was.
It just doesnt seem very dire. “What if he can’t keep a conversation soon!” Oh well, he can step down and kamala can take over.
Any democrat we replace Biden with for the election will have all the same issues with the same voter blocks. It seems like an over reaction both ways.
After the convention replacing the nominee becomes very hard, and we’d really like to not waste time with a nominee who can’t go out after 8 pm. And no, any replacement will not have the same issues. Not being able to campaign coherently is a major issue unique to Joe Biden. That’s huge. Campaigns are won or lost on the ability of the leader to sway people to their side.
I haven’t based any of my voting decisions on speeches in a long time. I just dont think thats a good way to learn about someone and their policies. I usually look to recent actions, and definitely Biden is a mixed bag, but the Democratic party is a mixed bag as a whole right now.
I’m seeing a lot of people pointing at what they see is a problem, but then posit no better solutions. I also dont think its right to expect perfection or bust like some others seem to say.
I do think its interesting that there are so many different opinions on all of this stuff. I’m not sure entirely why the different perspectives exist, I know they are all valid at least. For me, I see steady progress about as quick as I think possible, for others they might see no progress or backsliding, and at different speeds.
For me the right time to have chosen someone else besides Biden was in 2020. And I will also admit that I personally would vote for Bernie Sanders if he were running for president but I’m not sure he would actually perform better than Biden in voting nationally. I’d like to think he would, but I know some older voters who would vote for Biden wouldn’t vote for Bernie, so its hard to guess on.
Literally name who else, or shut the fuck up. Calls for Biden to drop out without an alternative are nonsense.
And preferably, name someone who has announced their candidacy.
A list of people you’d like in the job isn’t as relevant. I would’ve accepted almost any of the names people had floated, had any of them publicly shown interest.
But here we are with people often demanding Jon Stewart and Michelle Obama throw their hats in the ring, and that’s two people who keep saying they aren’t interested.
No one who wants to run in 2028 is going to run against the incumbent President unless that President is incredibly weak.
Biden in 2020 was solid, but even he had a close win over Trump. Biden 2022 was starting to show signs of wear (understandably so), but planning for 2024 made sense. Not my favorite choice, but I don’t think it was necessarily wrong. 2024 SOTU Biden scared Republicans so much they made up all sorts of drug rumors.
Jump to 1st Debate 2024 Biden. That was his first real misstep. Biden can recover from this.
Biden was far from my first choice in 2020, but he’s done a great job. He needs to get out there and prove it. Showcase what he’s done and pitch a plan for a future America.
Right now I don’t know if Biden can do that. I saw parts of it during the debate, but I want more. Biden should be able to convince his own party he has what it takes to win. Biden isn’t incredibly weak at the moment, but he’s getting weaker.
At the end of the day I’m voting for Biden (or his replacement) because I believe in Democrat policy. I’m not just voting “against Trump”, I believe Democratic policy is better for Americans and the American people. Republican policy, especially under Trump, isn’t even worth considering, it’s fascism and I don’t mean that hyperbolically.
If Biden can’t beat Democrats, Biden can’t beat Trump and that’s a big fuckin concern to me.
Also, since you’re looking for a name, Newsom has made it clear he is going to run in 2028. Will he run if Biden steps down? That’s debatable. It’s going to be a tough race and a loss in 2024 probably means no chance of running in 2028. There is a chance no one can beat Trump (and that’s even scarier).
(Also to anyone on the fence, Fuck Trump. Get your ass to the voting booth on election day and vote Biden.)
They keep asking for names then stop responding when you give them one. Hilariously unserious people who just want to scream that we have zero other options as loud as possible.
Well yeah, it’s standard bad faith practice to keep getting stuck on ‘name someone’. That question is an obvious mind-trap that stifles the real point no one from the pro Biden camp wants to concede: Biden is an objectively bad candidate that may lose.
This bad faith argument is not their creation, nor does it really matter.
The DNC will not listen to its constituents (let alone a Lemmy thread)and hold a primary to let Democrats choose a different candidate. No one paying any attention believes that.
The argument serves two purposes i think, to skirt around the fact the DNC doesn’t represent us and won’t hold a primary no matter what , and to keep any real discussion of ranked choice or third party voting from even starting.
Because the DNCs plan to run against fascists forever only works if we stay in a FFTP system like this
If you can’t name a candidate, you’re naming Trump.
Has Newsom said he wanted the job?
Again, it’s not about a wishlist. I am NOT AGAINST OTHER CANDIDATES.
Just the endless hand-wringing and dropping names of those who don’t want the fucking job.
I like Newsom. If he were the candidate, I’d vote for him. But he isn’t, at least not yet.
Because they don’t want to undermine the party and an incumbent candidate. But, if the party opened it up and asked, “Who wants to be President?,” there’d be a rush like Black Friday.
There were 27 candidates for the nomination in 2020, but none of them are still interested?
Well duh, you think the Democrats are just gonna say “eh, let Trump have it”
OF COURSE the Democrats would step up if they had to. But they don’t want that scenario. That’s the whole point. They want to coalesce behind Biden.
Almost sounding like idk, corporate shills or something?
The ones who aren’t interested are usually more trustworthy?
You’re not wrong (generally speaking…I’m not interested, I’m entirely untrustworthy, and no one who knows me wants me in that position), but they’re not going to run so it’s moot.
Washington didn’t want to be president but was
Whining about being downvoted (BY ONE PERSON IN THIS CASE) is a great way to ensure that I downvote you.
Fair, and I expected that. But it’s frustrating as hell sometimes.
We’d love to, but Biden killed primaries and caucuses. And there’s not a Democrat in existence that will go up against the DNC’s hand-picked candidate after their behavior over the last decade.
When was the last time an incumbent president held primaries?
This year. Biden, Phillips, and Palmer. Biden won all primaries except for the American Samoa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
It’s almost like people aren’t paying attention to what’s happening before bitching about it.
So none of them care enough to speak publicly. Got it.
To be clear, I’m planning to vote against trump unless somehow biden gets replaced with someone worse than trump (~0% chance that happens, but still)
that said, I don’t know a single person who’s happy with biden or excited that he’s the candidate, and frankly I doubt the sanity of anyone excited about him as much as I doubt bidens sanity (whereas with people voting for trump the insanity is crystal clear). I don’t know for sure who would be better, kamala might be the best bet, but being able to get through a debate without gibberish word salad sentences should be an obvious requirement
It should be, but the time and place for it was in the primaries, not when you’re up against another word salad candidate with a die hard rock solid base.
This is the problem with Leftists. Y’all censor or cancel anyone with opposing viewpoints, and then you get trapped by your own bubble and confused by how it doesn’t jive with reality, so you make up conspiracy theories to explain the difference.
Do you know anyone excited about biden?
Yeah, I know several. But they’re poor, Black, and Southern, so you’d never associate with them.
Why are they excited about him?
Honestly a huge part of it was the “if you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black!” yeah I know the yuppies got all offended but the reaction I saw among poor Black people was more like hell yeah, tell it like it is.
Biden has a Black VP. He was the VP to a Black man - someone who looks like a caricature of an old racist white man willingly put himself subservient to a Black man and actually seemed happy about it.
They don’t really know his policies, though they know about Obamacare, the infrastructure bill, and the IRA. They don’t care about Israel or Palestine. They don’t care about student loans. They know he speaks out against racism. They are a little uncomfortable with how he speaks favorably about “the gays” but they’ll let that slide.
They know whenever a Republican bastard does some Republican bastard shit, Biden is there fighting against it.
They know that when Kamala blasted him for opposing school bussing decades ago, he said he was wrong for it and apologized.
They see a man who fundamentally wants what’s best for them.
Gotcha, thanks for the perspective
I remember when RBG said the same thing. “Who would you rather see on the court other than me?” The answer is literally anyone else, but they ended up with that one rapist
And you’re not able to see the difference between a guaranteed nomination and a national election?
Good luck dragging that corpse past the finish line
Again, name who you think can beat Trump were they to swap in right now. I’m waiting.
JB Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer, perhaps Gavin Newsom. Even Kamala Harris would have a better chance than Biden. Next to no one is voting Democratic because of Biden, people are voting against Trump. You could swap in literally anyone who isn’t 90% corpse and get at least as good a result, and almost certainly better. This idea that people would be turned off the Democrats because Joe Biden wasn’t the candidate is a joke and I don’t understand why anyone would be under the impression.
I would be willing to believe JB could do it. don’t know enough about Whitmer, think that Newsom has a chance but could just as easily be a Mitt Romney, and personally think you’re a little out to lunch if you actually think Kamala would win when Hilary didn’t.
Post debate polls have had Harris up on Biden in swing states. Could she win? Maybe, maybe not. But it looks like she’d at least lose less badly than Biden. His debate performance was a death blow.
Kamala has been polling better then Biden. the problem isn’t her popularity, it’s Biden looking like he’s died but doctors have refused to call it so they keep dragging him around. he even tried to salvage his debate performance with an interview with Stephanopoulos and still looked dead.
idk if anyone believes he can take another 4 years without the doctors finally calling it and Kamala replacing him anyway. like, people who think Kamala can’t be a better president than TFG would probably vote TFG anyway.
also it’s not like Biden won last time because everybody loves him. no one does. I’ve never seen an actual fan. he won mostly through negative partisanship against TFG.
Then you aren’t informed enough to even be talking about this
And yet you want to put Whitmer on a national stage??
Yes, Literally anybody! What a silly premise for question… This is Hillary Clinton all over again. Democrats are being force fed the worst possible candidate we can get.
With that said, Kamala Harris is the best answer I think, for logistical reasons. But let her choose a good running mate that may bring some excitement and I think the democratic voters may come out to vote.
This IS Hillary all over again but it’s only because you dumb fucks are choking down obvious propaganda and asking for more. Just like 2016.
No one knows who that is.
Doesn’t want to run.
Doesn’t want to run.
A Black woman? You’re in fucking fantasy land.
I already told you my two requisistes, three if you count having a pulse, you should ask the DNC what people their donors would allow to run. I’m sure they have a list of marketable 45-65 white heirs who would love to keep everything exactly as is they’d support.
Which in my opinion is perfectly fucking fine. Biden is the guy the DNC donors allowed. We’re not going to get something different from his delegates or the establishment he shaped. I’m not in this fight because I sense an opportunity for policy gains, I just want the next egotistical ancient political figure to not drag us all down with them in their decline. I’m happy with just getting a pulse.
So you you have no options within the practical realities of the current system leading up to November? Good to know.
It may also be a little late to introduce a new candidate, unless they have great name recognition. Betcha Bernie 2.0 would mobilize a goodly number of people, while centrists would hold their noses, and just vote for Not Trump.
Bernie isn’t running, and Biden isn’t quitting, so we take what we can get. At this point, I would literally vote for a loofah if it ran against Trump.
The current vice president, who also is the vice presidential candidate, and who Biden’s campaign itself says is qualified to replace if he’s incapacitated? You know, the one that’s already effectively a candidate for the presidency because no one believes Biden will last 4 years?
K. How does she poll against Trump?
How does Biden right now? She’s already fully factored in when people think about Biden anyway.
And to answer your question, the Ipsos poll from July 2 puts her within one point of Trump which is actually much better than Biden right now.
She’s polling generally poorly against Trump and Biden wasn’t that hurt by the debate. Here you go: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/09/biden-polling-debate-trump
If your takeaway from that article is “the debate didn’t hurt Biden”, the article entitled “Biden suffers less polling damage than expected…”, then I have some doubts about your ability to recognize your own bias.
If that’s your take away from the article I question your reading comprehension.
Jon Stewart gets it, why can’t you?
Democrats can’t name someone until Biden agrees or they have a majority ready to try to force him out. It really is Biden’s decision to step aside. The issue is the polls are saying he should step aside, and it looks like he wants to lose.
No, the pundits are saying he should pull out.
Wrong… the polls are saying he should. Do you want to beat Trump or are you hoping for a miracle?
Dude, anyone. Who in the democratic party is more corrupt than Trump? To paraphrase Biden himself, there are at least fifty people that could win against Trump.
I hope Biden is one of the fifty right now… But I am not certain.
I wonder how much of it is just undermining Biden. I lump this in with the “just any third party” people. It doesn’t make sense unless your goal is to just undermine Biden to bemoan his situation and the party without rallying behind something more specific. The “just any third party” implies the person is equally stoked about the chances of a Green Party or a Libertarian candidate, which makes no sense given the vastly different platforms.
Kamala Harris. Pete Buttigieg. Fucking anyone else. I’d rather vote for Mitt Romney than Donald Trump; we don’t need Biden.
But your question is obviously made in bad faith. You will argue that anyone we name is unelectable. Meanwhile, the framework of the discussion ignores Biden’s own questionable electability.
I disagree. My logic is as follows:
Premise 1. Joe Biden cannot beat Trump
Premise 2: Virtually any other democrat can beat Trump
Conclusion: If we want to beat Trump, Biden should step down and be replaced by virtually any other Democrat
Why can’t Joe beat Trump? Because he seems old and confuses things? You think that’s why people are voting for Trump?
I don’t think the opinion “the man who has control of the nuclear arsenal is showing signs of senility and should not serve another 4 years regardless of who replaces him” is not an unreasonable one
When the current only alternative is someone with clearly worse faculties and intentions, it obviously fucking is. Again, name who you think can beat him. Go ahead.
this is kinda a ridiculous request. The DNC should be the ones actively finding and presenting alternatives. If it was any other election year what if something happened to their primary candidate?
No one publicly shows interest because the party prevents any alternative. Anyone trying to run is accused of trying to break up the party, look at what happened to Bernie.
I advocated for Bernie, during the primaries, when it was time to choose a Democratic candidate. Note that that time is not now. Now is the time where a democratic candidate need to beat Trump. Do you think even swapping Bernie in now that he could beat Trump?
Kucinich
No one knows who that is.
The media attention from him replacing Biden would surely get the word across. The right-wing media would help name recognition by running a smear campaign. And, as everyone keeps saying, we are literally voting for “Not Trump” at this point. “Not Trump” doesn’t have to be Biden.
Of course not, because the media and DNC refused to give him any traction when he did run. That doesn’t preclude anyone finding out, if they had the wherewithal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich
At any rate, demands for s name were made, one was given. This guy is mostly middle of the road and the DNC still considered him enough of a threat, they absolutely will not give him time of day, because he threatens the corporate -beholden status quo in just s couple of the
wrongright ways.Regardless of whatever conspiracy theory, he can’t win so he’s a terrible option.
Miss the point by much?
The point is you fuckers are demanding a new candidate NOW, but can’t name anyone who wouldn’t go down in flames.
It wouldn’t be if there were an alternative who was not showing similar or worse signs of senility. When both of the only feasible candidates have the same issue, that issue is mostly moot.
This continues to be a disingenuous meme response. If they named a name you’d complain that they were trying to install their choice rather than have an open selection process.
Try me. I’m waiting. No one has named a name.
My best alternative choice would be Bernie but I don’t think he’d actually beat Trump because he’d lose some centrists, doesn’t seem particularly less old, and hasn’t held presidential office before. What’s your choice?
Newsom with barrack Obama as VP
VP has to be allowed to become P.
Doesn’t actually say that in the constitution, it’s untested
It’s in the 12th amendment. Prior to that the VP was the runner up, so they had to be eligible to even be in the race.
It’s two separate questions, and the second has basically only two answers: it’s either Harris or some sort of open contest voted on by the delegates. Most “replace” voices don’t care which of those options is selected nearly as much as they care that the guy who’s going to lose can’t be the nominee.
And my personal choice is “I don’t care”. Harris is fine, the governors are fine, Buttigieg is unlikely but fine. I’m not going to pretend the party or Biden’s own delegates is going to choose a progressive. None of them is going to cause a seismic shift in the candidate’s policy except for getting a chance to choose a better message on Israel and any will fulfill the need of ditching the losing incumbent who only made the race worse in his one key public appearance. Their one and only qualification is that unlike Biden, they might not lose. And that’s plenty for me.
So basically your answer is you don’t care because you’re pissing your pants scared right now.
Harris won’t beat him, literally everyone knows that, which is why no one is suggesting her. Your idea of pitting “I dunno whoever the dems elect, they’re probably fine” is quite frankly preposterous on its face. Pick someone and advocate for them, or learn to shut up and not scream chicken little.
LOL. Sure bud. Definitely turning my “disingenuous” opinion around with all this dumb internet posturing.
You asked for names intending to dismiss any reply.
No I asked for names because tearing down options without presenting new ones is what Russian propagandists do. Not what people who don’t want Trump to win do.
Here, watch. Franken, Harris, Buttigieg, Newsom. Whitmer.
Now do what you intended to do when you asked the question and dismiss.
Franken comes off just as old and won’t win over centrist voters, Harris is possibly less charismatic than Clinton, Buttigieg would be a great president and I would support his candidacy all the way, but realistically I don’t know if America would rally behind him by November, Newsom might but he might also be a Mitt Romney, Whitmer I don’t know enough about.
If you wanna champion Biden to step aside for Franken, go for it, but I quite frankly have an extremely hard time seeing him beat Trump.
I don’t think that’s a disingenuous response. I can name a lot of people I liked who ran in the primaries in '20 as well as a slew of up and coming names. I don’t think they have as strong a chance as Biden.
Like many have already said, I think that focusing on a lackluster debate (in which he actually responded well based on the content of his responses and the policy he promoted) is not the way to go about this.
As much as I like other names for the presidency, I think Biden is our best shot at staving off disaster and he did get a lot done with the Inflation Reduction Act. Another four years of that policy trajectory is definitely something I can get behind. That’s at least a step in the right direction.
And I think Biden is going to lose and any of the shortlist names have a reasonable chance of injecting some life into the party and most importantly haven’t been fatally damaged, not by “a lackluster debate”, but by being unable to make coherent responses. Biden had lackluster debates in the 2020 primary, that didn’t invalidate him from being nominee, because it was just a poor performance, not indications that at least some of the time he’s incoherent.
You are assuming that the debate invalidated Biden for everyone else just because you feel that way. You also are very confident in your prediction of Biden losing, to the point of absurdity. Somehow you can predict the future now? Go on reference the “polls”!
All the (very liberal) late night hosts are making fun of him. Members of Congress are publicly saying he should step down. Donors are publicly abandoning him. Half of Democrats think he should step down. It doesn’t need to be everyone. He doesn’t have headroom to lose practically anyone.
I would never want to give you fake news. Stop the steal.
I’m just saying that not everyone thinks the president is some god king of America, and that democrats lead as a party anyways so what would it matter if Biden turns into a senile puppet until he dies, to be replaced by the next democrat who will follow the exact same policies as Biden was.
It just doesnt seem very dire. “What if he can’t keep a conversation soon!” Oh well, he can step down and kamala can take over.
Any democrat we replace Biden with for the election will have all the same issues with the same voter blocks. It seems like an over reaction both ways.
After the convention replacing the nominee becomes very hard, and we’d really like to not waste time with a nominee who can’t go out after 8 pm. And no, any replacement will not have the same issues. Not being able to campaign coherently is a major issue unique to Joe Biden. That’s huge. Campaigns are won or lost on the ability of the leader to sway people to their side.
I haven’t based any of my voting decisions on speeches in a long time. I just dont think thats a good way to learn about someone and their policies. I usually look to recent actions, and definitely Biden is a mixed bag, but the Democratic party is a mixed bag as a whole right now.
I’m seeing a lot of people pointing at what they see is a problem, but then posit no better solutions. I also dont think its right to expect perfection or bust like some others seem to say.
I do think its interesting that there are so many different opinions on all of this stuff. I’m not sure entirely why the different perspectives exist, I know they are all valid at least. For me, I see steady progress about as quick as I think possible, for others they might see no progress or backsliding, and at different speeds.
For me the right time to have chosen someone else besides Biden was in 2020. And I will also admit that I personally would vote for Bernie Sanders if he were running for president but I’m not sure he would actually perform better than Biden in voting nationally. I’d like to think he would, but I know some older voters who would vote for Biden wouldn’t vote for Bernie, so its hard to guess on.
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