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    Red states are dangerous for any nonwhite male. Women? Traveling to a red state and get raped? Whelp better hope you don’t find out that you are pregnant while still in the state. LGBTQ+? Whelp, better hope no one knows your sexual identity or you could be denied life saving medication or could be jailed for simply using the wrong bathroom. Black? Whelp, people are literally hunting you while you try to pick up snacks at the local dollar general.

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    So Canadá is going to let trans people get treatment with informed consent model, right?

    Right?

    Some of our states are really good for trans people. A map of which regions yo avoid would be far more helpful than a blanket warning.

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        Healthcare is under provincial jurisdiction, therefore this varies depending on where in Canada. My province doesn’t offer informed consent HRT.

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          It is but… Which province? I help trans people get HRT and I know of/have lists of available doctors who will do it via informed consent in every province.

          I know I’m a random internet stranger so don’t doz yourself here, but if you feel comfortable messaging me I’ll help out if you need.

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            I live in New-Brunswick, and there used to be Clinic 554 in Fredericton which did informed consent, general trans healthcare, and abortions, but they closed down due to lack of funding.

            The way it generally works here as per my friends on hormones is you get a letter of recognition from a WPATH-certified mental health professional, and then get a referral to an endocrinologist via your family doctor. Navigating the NB healthcare system sucks for everyone, but trans patients are even more limited.

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              Dr. Sara Thomas, Mount Allison University’s gender-affirming care clinic. Is what I have for informed consent in NB.

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                I’m glad to hear there’s another avenue for people other than waiting to see an endocrinologist (they have pretty long wait lists here) but from what I can gather you still need a referral from another healthcare professional, contrary to Clinic 554 which did do self-referrals.

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        Florida holds a unique status within these states, with travel advisories warning against visits. The “do not travel” recommendation extends to even connecting flights through Florida. As of July 1, transgender individuals could face up to a year in jail for using the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity. This risk persists even for those who have legally altered their identification documents. The state retains the power to investigate an individual’s birth gender to determine if a crime has been committed simply by using the bathroom - investigations that could involve genital exams, chromosome testing, and more.

        Wow, that’s some serious third world country shit. Horrifying!

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          It’s not just Florida, all of the other red states are trying to pass similar laws. The courts have been striking many of them down, though it’s only a matter of time until they find a way to write them vaguely enough that the courts don’t care.

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        Yes her map is good, I just wish it didn’t show “states with a possibility in 2 years” in such a dark red color as it is misleading when compared to like… Actual bad states.

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        If trans people die after being denied by the sexologist, then the safety is illusory.

        We cannot exist when we are merely tolerated.

        Some of the states actually do give a fuck about us and it’s important to call that out along with the states that want us dead.

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          I agree with everything you said, but the comment I replied too doesn’t relate to the post.

          The post refer to states in the US were LGBTQ members are literally being shot dead.

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    A lot of states with those laws probably also have “Stand Your Ground” laws and loose guns regulations, so really nobody should go there.

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      And as a blue blooded, god feering, gun toting, truck driving, steak eating, pussy grabbing, anti-woke, America first, patriot like myself that is exactly what we want. -s

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      also have “Stand Your Ground” laws

      What exactly do you think these laws mean?

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        It eases the legal requirement to run away when someone attacks you, as opposed to fighting back.

        Edit: Oh, that was rhetorical.

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        Those laws basically say it’s OK to shoot someone if you feel threatened. You can practically get away with murdering someone for looking at you the wrong way.

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          That’s not at all what they say. They “basically” say that you don’t have a duty to run away from someone who is actively attacking you.

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            Fine, maybe I misinterpreted why people think it’s OK to shoot at people for knocking on their door or pulling into the wrong driveway. I still don’t want to go to places where people are likely to do that.

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              That’s not a realistic fear. Certainly not something worth putting out a public notice about an entire country of 300 million people.

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                  “Several times” across a country with 300 million people? That’s nothing but paranoia. You’re significantly more likely to be struck by lightning.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Anti-LGBT protests in the US rose 30-fold last year compared with 2017, while legal moves to restrict LGBT rights are on the rise.

    The term 2SLGBTQI+ is widely used in Canada for people who consider themselves two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning or intersex.

    “Since the beginning of 2023, certain states in the US have passed laws banning drag shows and restricting the transgender community from access to gender-affirming care and from participation in sporting events,” they told CBC News.

    In March, Tennessee’s governor signed laws banning drag performances in front of children and restricting medical treatment for transgender youth.

    Two months later, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed bills banning children from undergoing transgender medical treatments or going to drag shows, and restricting pronoun use in classrooms.

    On Monday, a mural in Florida dedicated to Irish journalist Lyra McKee, who was shot dead in 2019, was defaced with a swastika and anti-LGBT graffiti.


    The original article contains 349 words, the summary contains 154 words. Saved 56%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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      2SLGBTQI+

      I support diversity and Im happy to let anyone be whoever they want to be, as long as they are not hurting anyone, but we need to stop adding letters to the LGBTQ community.

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      This is an official government warning confirmed by the Deputy Prime Minister. From the source:

      Asked why the guidance had been updated, Canadian Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland told reporters in Atlantic Canada that the government employed experts “to look carefully around the world and to monitor whether there are particular dangers to particular groups of Canadians”.

      She declined to comment when asked whether there had been discussions with the US government before making the change.

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      GO. It’s a Federal Government department that is jointly run by the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of International Development, and the Minister of International Trade. Putting out travel advisories is part of their mandate.

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      Most Canadian GO follow a [Purpose] Canada naming scheme. If you want a SIN (equivalent to an SSN) you got to Services Canada. You get your weather warnings from Enviroment Canada. Drugs are related by Health Canada. Natural Resources Canada does the obvious. Parks Canada does National Parks. Transport Canada does highways and waterways.

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      “It’s Florida and Texas and red states that are the problem,” I tell myself as my entire country continues to collapse in a thousand different ways. “It’s Florida and Texas and red states. If we just had 60 Democrats in the senate and a more moderate SCOTUS (like in 2008), everything everywhere would be perfect! I mean, just look at all Obama managed to accomplish during that time! Endless drone strikes, corporate welfare, and a health care “plan” endorsed by the Heritage Foundation that made no difference to health insurance prices (which continued to rise as though nothing had happened) and left tens of millions of people uninsured or underinsured and which led to tens of thousands of deaths over the years due to lack of coverage—and that was before the pandemic even started! It’s not the system designed by genocidal slave owners that’s the problem, we just need to get rid of the corrupt elites and replace them with GOOD elites and everything will work itself out!”

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      unless one of the frothing right-wing psychos who’s full up on nazi propaganda decides you’re a groomer and hate crimes you, which can happen in any state in the u.s.

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        Or anywhere in the world. Rare events that get heavily reported in the US do not paint the overall picture of LGBT experience.

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            Because these are the games of politicians. Try being trans in rural China, India, pretty much anywhere in the African continent or anywhere in the middle east. Come visit and see if you’d like. I’ve been to these places and if you don’t believe me look at other travel advisories. The risk to travelers is being blown out of proportion and just because the media is doing this it doesn’t mean that educated individuals hanging out in Lemmy communities need to propogate this garbage. Do I want politicians to get their shit together? Yes! Do travelers need to eat up the media fear that pours out like a fire hose these days? No, it’s rubbish.

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          K link me to the most recent time somebody got murdered in Canada for flying a pride flag since it happens everywhere at the same rate.

          Better be in the last week BTW.

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        What do you mean? Some massive nerd on here the other day was telling me how its totally easy to move, and people who don’t are just choosing to stay poor and marginalized!

    • Until Democratic centrists sacrifice trans people to pass various “must pass” bills after House GOP reps put poison-pill regulations into them and try to make a new Hyde Amendment, prohibiting Federal support for gender-affirming care and opening the door to outright legal discrimination federally.

      And that’s assuming they don’t lose the Senate/Presidency.

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      I live less than 2 hours from the Canadian border in one of the most progressive states and there’s trucks in town painted red white and blue with 3% logos and the moaning labia shit.

      There’s another one with two stickers on the back window “kill your local pedophile” with somebody getting shot execution style and “democrats are pedophiles”

      Everywhere in America 30 minutes outside a major city is like that.

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        Yup - northern state, near Canada, usually blue voters. Regularly see thin blue line stickers, confederate flags, punisher skulls, thin blue line themed punisher skulls, “protect our children” slogans n shit…hell I’ve seen at least a couple black suns on cars around here, which is a lot more mask off than I expected (and waaaaaay more alarming)

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          Moan abe or however they took it. Means come.and take it apparently it’s what the Spartans said to the Persians at Thermopoli.

          An ironic line because if you learned history from something other than a homoerotic Zac Snyder movie you would know the Persians responded with “k” then killed them all

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            Molon labe.

            then sparta lost their king, his honor guard, the elite of their army AND a highly defensible pass that they were supposed to be able to hold for months ortega-clap and this all happened in a few days.

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        Yeah, those are hillbillies - they are all over the place. Many of them are actually homosexual believe it or not. If we are talking bumper stickers though, can’t say I’ve come across many anti-LGBT ones. Mostly confederate flags and black and white flags with blue stripes all in the generic grab bag of generalized hatred. I stay away from those people / areas as it’s just not my crowd, but not sure what this has to do with the safety of LGBT visitors to the US. Linking these stickers to that is a pretty broad sweep.

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    Does the US need to put out a warning to disabled travelers? Go to Canada and they will tell you to kill yourself.

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    2SLGBTQI+ is widely used in Canada for people who consider themselves two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning or intersex.

    Yeah I don’t believe that lol, tf is that nonsense if a term

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    2SLGBTQI+

    I wonder how many fucking numbers and letters they will keep adding over the fucking years.

    Gay people talk shit about it 24/7, it’s becoming a fucking joke of a name.

    Edit: Random fucking morons attacking me and calling me a bigot, you are truly a bunch of imbecile.

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      Edit: Random fucking morons attacking me and calling me a bigot, you are truly a bunch of imbecile.

      (sic)

      LMAOOO now go make your Hexbear cyberbullying callout post on Estonian potato forums

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        Honestly, including people is why i prefer just saying queer over using acronyms. It’s completely open-ended, it doesn’t create a hierachy based on who gets named first and who ends up with one of the slots behind the LGBT that may or may not be included by a given speaker, it’s easy to use, it doesn’t shoehorn people into rigid categories and makes it easy to fit in for people who are questioning or have complex identities - and it pisses off the exact type of bourgousified, reactionary, assimilationist, racist, mysogynist, transphobic, biphobic cis gays that the farthead you’re replying to refers to when they bring up how supposedly “gay people shit talk” all of this.

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          same tbh, plus i find i trip over acronyms a lot and it gives Certain Assholes the feeling that they can use that as a vector for attack (“it’s so complicated even they can’t keep track!” etc)

          supposedly “gay people shit talk” all of this.

          worth mentioning scumfuck up there only added that bit after getting criticized for their bigotry. homophobes are all magically harvey milk’s favorite nephew the instant someone calls them out.

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            worth mentioning scumfuck up there only added that bit after getting criticized for their bigotry. homophobes are all magically harvey milk’s favorite nephew the instant someone calls them out.

            Yeah that’s common, i see that a lot both online and irl and they always mean somebody like that one gay dude in their QAnon chat group who dates muslim men exclusively while also wanting to genocide them.

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            That said, i don’t mind when ohter people go with the acronyms, and it often tells you a lot about the background of the person using it. Like, i see that it starts with 2S, i immediately know they’re Canadian because that’s the only place in the world doing that. Or when somebody still says GLBT like they did before AIDS, i know i’m reading a post from a cis gay boomer. And when i see something including LGBTT, i know they’re a transmedicalist and possibly from Southwest Germany and think you’re not valid if you don’t get bottom surgery.

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          disagree, queer is not all encompassing. if you dont identify as queer but you still want to identify with the community the acronym is still the best descriptor. as for the order, i do support updating it by putting trans first and pushing bisexuals down the list in favor of pansexuals.

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              im not trying to do a bi erasure, bi people are valid. im just saying as someone who was bi sexual who later became pan sexual after learning about the term i just think changing some of the letters around would be good ways to raise awareness about different genders and sexualities in the acronym. so many people know what lgbt is but they dont really know the plus part. the first four are really important to the broader conception of gender and sexual identity as a whole. look if we can change the flag i dont think the acronym is sacrosanct either, i do however think we need an acronym.

              i think lesbian, gay, and bisexual should be lower on the acronym. i think trans people should be first since they are receiving most of the targeting and attacks out of any group in the community right now, i think pansexuals, asexuals, and nonbinaries could really benefit from a representation bump. TPAN, rolls off the tongue. we can keep lgbt too. nobody got rid of the pride flag after the progress flag. both can exist at the same time. i just think its a representation issue.

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            Why would you change the order? It implies some level of arbitary importance to certain unique struggles over others which I don’t think is healthy while we all share the same acronym.

            Also L should stay at the front because that relates more to gay history and the allyship shown by women during the AIDS epidemic to provide blood to sufferers and L comes first to honor that.

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            queer is not all encompassing

            It’s literally a catchall term for anybody who’s not het, cis, allo or endo.

            pushing bisexuals down the list in favor of pansexuals

            As a bisexual trans woman exclusively dating t4t, let’s NOT start the “bi is actually transphobic, you should call yourself pan” nonsense debate. It always leads to awful bad faith discussions, pushes bi erasure and completely ignores any and all actually transphobic dating behavior, of which there is plenty, none of which is connected to calling yourself bisexual.

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            I don’t follow - my understanding of the term is that it encompasses everyone who fits under the umbrella. if you’re not under the umbrella, the acronym isn’t going to fit either, no? can you give me an example of who you mean?

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              I’ve seen/heard of people specifically disavowed the term “queer” for their personal identity, but only a couple times and I, like others here, much prefer “queer” as a catchall term for brevity in all cases where there isn’t someone objecting to it being applied to them.

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                yeah, I’d be curious to learn why. like I’m all for a different umbrella term but it’s hard to pick one without understanding the complaint.

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                  I’m guilty of using queer without considering who I’m talking to.

                  When I talk to boomer gays and use queer as a catchall term I’ve seen visible recoil.

                  To them queer was a slur similar to foxtrot-Oscar-gay-gay-oscar-triceratops (I can’t remember the phonetic alphabet) and was used to oppress and attack them at least in the UK.

                  And like yeaaah, it was even when I was in school up until like 2010s so its not as reclaimed with the older generation as we’d like to hope because of lived experience from what I’ve seen which is fair.

                  So as a result I don’t use it around older gay men and use the acronym since queer genuinely seems to bring back a lot of the 80s gay panic trauma for them I guess.

                  I’d liken it to when a cis friend called me triceratops-rain-alpha-november-november-yacht as a in-joke he assumed i knew since he knows a fair few trans people who are reclaiming that term on twitter but for me that word is full of trauma and I was like “nope, I’m not in that community please don’t ever say that again”.

                  I called him a chaser cos he has a trans gf and said it was reclaimed by friends of mine with trans gfs and he got the message why you can’t assume reclaimed words have the same gravity with each individual.

                  I guess I see queer in a similar vein, I guess the difference is the time since it was reclaimed is the big difference.

                  I don’t think we need a new umbrella term but I think it’s important for us to remember others experiences with reclaimed words before we assume them to be gospel (despite most gay publications I’ve seen using it fine).

                  I dunno, I’m trying to be mature and empathic 😭😭😭

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      I love how people like you piss and cry over LQBTQIA+ which is an 8 letter acronym but managed to learn the higher amount of letters in an alphabet and didn’t act like a whiney piss baby then.

      I bet you’ll be able to tell me encyclopaedic knowledge of either gaming, sports, TV, movies or programming depending on your interests though.

      Go learn to think man baby.

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      BREAKING: China’s new Bureau of Gender has announced 121,890 new genders. Furthermore, the PM announced yesterday “Every Christian church in Shanghai will be replaced by a gay club.”

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      I wonder how many fucking numbers and letters they will keep adding over the fucking years.

      Numbers and letters over the years:

      “You shall love your neighbor as yourself”

      Galations 5:14

      “Be genial, sweet and kind towards your companions.”

      Mino-ī-Kherad, II.7

      “For my people are foolish; they know me not; they are stupid children; they have no understanding. They are ‘wise’—in doing evil! But how to do good they know not.”

      Jeremiah 4:22

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      > Edit: Random fucking morons attacking me and calling me a bigot, you are truly a bunch of imbecile.

      “Halp Im being called out for my shenanigans and now im entering damage control!”

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      Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think even the LGBT+ community gets annoyed with it. It’s the media that seems to want to keep adding letters to this ever-growing acronym.

      In my opinion, it just makes the whole thing seem more like a joke to the people who want to find reasons to dislike the movement.

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        People who are homophobic or transphobic don’t care what terminology we use. We could literally only use the word “gay” and they would absolutely continue to hate us.

        Also, the use of progressive terminology originates within the queer community. 2SLGBTQ as an acronym began being used specifically to acknowledge two spirit people, who have faced a great amount of racism and queerphobia even from within the queer community. This term was neither invented by the media nor popularized by it.

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      I’ve been saying for years if we just said queer and trans we could pretty much capture the whole thing. In a lot of ways I think straight cis folks and corporate culture are some of the main drivers of the alphabet soup acronym because they can’t imagine saying queer.

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        in addition, its okay to just say lgbt. none of us are expecting people to remember that whole thing

        i typically say lgbt+ cuz i like being positive (hehe), but it matters much less than some folk will make it seem

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          • for other categories doesn’t suffice, we also need * to represent, by wildcard, those that don’t fit any category, as well as - for those who fit the other letters/symbols but don’t want to identify with the rainbow mainstream (say, gay folks who aren’t fans of gay marriage)
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            yeah so anyway i say lgbt+ or lgbtq+ to include everyone because nobody actually complains about my support

            -sincerely, nikki, part of the lgbtq+ community