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      3 months ago

      Absolutely and unequivocally yes if any Republican is an option.

      I absolutely and unequivocally disagree with you. I am voting for who I want to vote for. That’s my right as an American citizen. It’s a democracy.

      What Internet trolls/shills always try to ignore is that I don’t give a shit who they vote for. We only give you push back because you’re hell bent on spreading bad ideas.

      And what “bad ideas” have I “spread?” I have simply said that I believe in the Green Party and am voting for Jill Stein.

      I have not tried to talk anyone into anything.

      So if you “don’t give a shit” who I vote for, then you shouldn’t be so annoyed that I am voting green party.

      I mean, as you implied, it doesn’t matter to you anyway, right?

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        People don’t care who you’re voting for, they care about you constantly proclaiming who you’re voting for. Let me explain. Silently voting third-party because you feel disillusioned and disenfranchised is one thing. It might be a wasted vote under the FPTP system, but it’s your right.

        Posting everywhere about who you’re voting for - including spreading positive reinforcement about the Green Party - is not exercising your right to vote; it’s activism. There is nothing wrong with it on its own of course, but the key motivation behind activism is driving others to vote for your cause.

        At this point you’re not just exercising your personal right to participate in the democracy, you’re actively driving opinion and influencing (or attempting to) other voters. If you had no interest in doing this, you would just silently vote for Jill Stein. Hell, by your own admission you started the Green Party community here on Lemmy.

        The thing people are getting upset at are third-party activists - particularly in a precarious election such as this. No matter how much you might want party-list proportional representation, the fact of the matter is you currently exist within the limits of FPTP. And within that system, third-party activism dilutes the vote, which is what people are upset at - especially given the stakes.

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          People don’t care who you’re voting for, they care about you constantly proclaiming who you’re voting for.

          And I am ONLY proclaiming it when they start yelling at me. Take a look and the threads of people yelling at me.

          you’re actively driving opinion and influencing (or attempting to) other voters.

          On Lemmy? The biggest democrat echo chamber outside of Reddit. I can give my opinion. And you can ignore it. I’m not “influencing” anyone.

          The thing people are getting upset at are third-party activists - particularly in a precarious election such as this.

          Then get a stronger candidate. I’m voting for who I want to because I want to. Regardless of how much Lemmy gets mad and tries to bully me. :)

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            People are yelling at you, that I’m not disputing. However…

            And I am ONLY proclaiming it when they start yelling at me.

            Here is a top-level comment where you’re proclaiming voting third-party. Here is a post on the main politics sub promoting Jill Stein.

            I can give my opinion. And you can ignore it. I’m not “influencing” anyone.

            That’s not how social media works. If seeing opinions online couldn’t influence anyone Russia wouldn’t invest in bot and troll farms - but it can and they do.

            Then get a stronger candidate.

            This is not answering my argument. In fact, the silent implication of that statement essentially admits my point. Spelling it out: “get a better candidate [if you want to be less susceptible to my influence on voters opinions.]” This attempt to influence voters opinions is what people are upset by.

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              Here is a top-level comment where you’re proclaiming voting third-party. Here is a post on the main politics sub promoting Jill Stein.

              That wasn’t “promoting” Jill Stein. I said “3rd party” AND I said it so that I could avoid everyone calling me a MAGA Trumper. Which totally didn’t work, by the way.

              That’s not how social media works.

              That IS how social media works. So is everything you typing meant to “influence” me? Are you trying to “influence” me right now?! lol

              “get a better candidate [if you want to be less susceptible to my influence on voters opinions.]” This attempt to influence voters opinions is what people are upset by.

              This is Lemmy. A very HUGE echo chamber for the democrats. I am not “influencing” anyone in this thread or any others.

              And I stand by everything I said.

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                This is Lemmy. A very HUGE echo chamber for the democrats. I am not “influencing” anyone in this thread or any others.

                This again does not answer anything of what I said, instead deflecting by pointing to the end result (“everyone here is a huge democrat anyway, nobody is going to be swayed by my attempts”) instead of accepting it’s the attempts that rubs people the wrong way.

                So is everything you typing meant to “influence” me? Are you trying to “influence” me right now?!

                Yes! Obviously! I’m not trying to influence your vote, however. I’m trying to possibly influence your understanding of why and how you keep ending up in conflict with others here. Because judging by your many decries of being treated poorly you don’t enjoy it.

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                  I’m trying to possibly influence your understanding of why and how you keep ending up in conflict with others here. Because judging by your many decries of being treated poorly you don’t enjoy it.

                  Well I have to be honest and say that I very much disagree with the ways you have been trying to “influence” my thinking. You have belittled me more than once. And you implied I was a troll, in this thread and in a Fedivers thread! Like seriously?! lol

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                    I think the reason people jump to the conclusion that you’re a troll is that you’re promoting a heavily unpopular candidate [1] that additionally is a third party candidate in a two-party FPTP system. You then act hurt and surprised when you get forceful pushback.


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