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Now make them affordable. Plant based meats cost easily double the price of meat. So I don’t blame people for choosing meat.
But you don’t get to torment animals
Awesome. Now it just needs to be more affordable while tasting just as good. Right now, the stuff that actually tastes like meat is priced like a bougie, elitist luxury good.
Depends where you live, some countries the vegan stuff is cheaper than the meat
Yeah this is all I want. I can barely afford to eat normally right now, if this got priced reasonably I’d be all over it.
the price is exactly what this is all about.
I wish they weren’t all so damn salty though. I get that meat is salty, but the meat alternatives go way too far with the saltiness in general in my experience.
So much this. Last time I brought it up, I was asked “what’s the matter, you don’t season your food?”
Uh… There are more seasonings than SALT, yo. You can add more of it, but once it’s in there…
They’re comin’
Like I’m gonna let you talk me into giving up pepperoni pizza just to stretch out my
lifespansuffering.Oh God oh fuck the admins are gonna kill you for making this post
They’re gonna take down the post for “unhealthy diets” lol
No, as we humans are omnivores. We can digest non animal fats and dont need directly a heck load of chemicals injected into a block of soy beans paste.
Additionally WE can make that choice but cats that are obligatory carnivore would never choose vegan as they are obligated to do so.
If a vegan diet is ethical for a cat is unknown.
a heck load of chemicals injected into a block of soy beans paste.
Everything’s a chemical, this is just language used to make things sound scary. The taurin that cats need that isn’t found in vegan cat food is identical to the taurin in meat.
Additionally WE can make that choice but cats that are obligatory carnivore would never choose vegan as they are obligated to do so.
If you’re so concerned about a cat having a supposedly harmful (the science on this disagrees with you, to be clear) choice made for itself by the human who is keeping it, why are you fine with the choices made for the animals that are kept in awful conditions and then killed for cat food with meat in it? Those animals are also kept by humans and have choices made for them that are unnatural to them, and they are most certainly being harmed.
If a vegan diet is ethical for a cat is unknown.
The science on this is pretty clear, and there are plenty of examples of cats thriving on a vegan diet for many many years. Of course, it’s important to consult a specialist and give the cat regular checkups if switching its diet like this.
Do you mind sharing your scientific source on cats thriving on vegan diets?
Maybe it was this one. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10499249/
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The most healthy plant based meat alternatives have always been, Beans & Legumes. You’re welcome!
And they’re easy! Like I enjoy fake meat as a treat, but as my wife can’t eat soy my primary meat replacement is black beans. Sometimes butter beans. It’s great, it’s easy, and I feel good.
That said the real best is lentils. Nothing is healthy like lentils are. They’re just difficult to cook right
I tried a Beyond Burger once and all I could taste was beans. I’m not a huge fan of beans, but having a bean flavor with a non-bean consistency is a no-go from my palate.
I know, those lentils take me 4-5 days to cook. O_o
i fear eating them, since i had 2 days long migraines often, i think cooking them like this is really nesscessary, to get rid of toxins from the outher shell. but i am far to hungry for this method.
Just an FYI, that was a joke. Lentils cook faster than any other bean and you do not need to soak them. They are super healthy for you.
there are species of lentils you have to soak in water for days, and then cook really long, i didnt made that up.
Interesting. I usually do the French Lentils because they cook the fastest. And regular brown. Red are quick but I usually use those to thicken pasta sauce since they disintegrate but add thickness and protein.
there are like 100dreds of different ones ;-)
usually, you have to cook them this long because the outer shell has some form of toxin against plant eating animals.
Pork also scored red for salt, while beef and chicken scored amber. Lamb was the only meat to receive a green rating for salt.
What? Raw meat has a negligible amount of salt. How is it not all green?
Didn’t read the article but raw packaged meats are often (depending on local regulation) injected with sodium solutions.
I’d be very surprised if it was only pork that got this treatment. If anything, I’d think chicken breasts would be the most common victim.
Good point, doesn’t add up…
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It’s so funny that the bias of plant based news can’t be detected by a media bias fact checker.
Seriously, their bias is right in the name.
Water - wet.
That’s what my thoughts were with this. The sheer amount of water alone to produce meat1 makes the bar very low for plant-based alternatives
1 https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/06/water-footprint-food-sustainability/
wait till your hear how much water is needed for those vats for lab meat…
Do you have a source? I’d be interested in seeing how the numbers look at present. I otherwise looked into this briefly myself, and this article from ScienceFocus mentions a 2019 study by Oxford University that found more greenhouse gases are released growing lab meat than regular meat, although ScienceFocus argued that if mass produced on a similar scale to regular meat and if renewable energy was used instead, the emissions could be better than regular meat.
Another website indicates in future tense that lab-grown meat “could cut down on water usage by 90%”
Next up, the sky is blue.
I wish it was more obvious to the average person as it is needed to counter the mainstream media’s false narrative that “processed plant-based protein alternatives are less healthy than meat”
Not that I doubt you, but where are you seeing them talk about it AT ALL?
I’m maybe just looking in the wrong places but beyond the occasional adverpinion piece, it’s not even brought up.
It’s a common talking point amongst those who have a murderous hatred of vegans.
Both sides suck at arguing this and all it does is make both sides insufferable. Meat eaters like to point out things like protein deficiency, and high amounts of salts and sugars in meat substitutes. Vegans like to point out the saturated fats, cancer rates, and green house emissions. Problem is you’re both right.
From the article
The studies authors are calling for “greater nuance” when it comes to discussing the healthiness of plant-based alternatives, as there is considerable disparity between categories in terms of health.
“Grouping all plant-based alternatives into a single category is an unhelpful strategy for encouraging a shift away from meat and towards more plant-rich diets as it hides a wide variety of options with differing nutrition and health profiles within the plant-based alternative category,” the authors wrote.
While the study acknowledged that plant-based meat alternatives can be a “useful stepping stone” for encouraging people to shift their diets, they stressed that the less processed alternatives – notably beans and grains – offer “the greatest number of co-benefits.”
Personally I’m not going to stop eating meat but I’m fine with eating less of it or lab grown after a while (though I’m worried about what the industry would look like on a mass scale). But calling for things like moving all livestock subsidies to meat alternatives and claiming all meat substitutes are inherently healthier is just naive, reactionary, and lack nuance. Discussions between vegans and carnivores go exactly how you expect most internet debates to go.
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and way more lucrative.
just don’t eat meat if you don’t want to.
you don’t need highly processeed junk food that dresses up as meat.
protein? who are you kidding? that stuff will be full of seed oils, sugar, wheat and carbs. with some plant protein sprinkled in between.
lab meat, get out of here. why should yout eat lab meat when normal meat is unhealthy in the first place?
and you think they won’t stretch that lab meat with wheat, sugar and seed oils as well? why wouldn’t they?
if you believe they want to noourish you into best health while disregarding profit, i have a bridge to sell you.
the only reason to get you to eat hoghly processed junk food that dresses up as meat is money.
they dont care about your health or the planet.
I am once again asking for meat and dairy subsidies in the US to be shifted to alternatives like plant-based products and lab meat.
One of the biggest barriers to alternatives is the cost. Currently they cost like twice as much as the “normal” product. If they cost a roughly equal amount, more people would start buying them instead. The US has huge agriculture subsidies; we could shift them to alternatives to encourage a change in production and a change in retail purchasing.
Personally, I do not want any lab grown meat, and as for the pseudo burgers and chicken (I grew up vegetarian) the “nutritional” benefits are not their due to over processing
Personally, I do not want any lab grown meat
Why not?
because thats stupid, unrealistic, and a nightmare to produce.
Today sure. Every new technology has.
Doesn’t mean it is the same in the future.
yeah, well, you got a point there. sure.
but every media source talks about lab meat like its a viable thing to manufacture, sell and buy. like a real alternative to meat. i found only one place to buy it, read this:
“For the first time in history, you can buy cultivated meat in retail to cook at home. Our newest product, GOOD Meat 3, is now available to buy in the frozen groceries section at Huber’s Butchery, one of Singapore’s premier producers and suppliers of high-quality meat products. This delicious, shredded chicken is made with 3% cultivated meat in combination with plant-based ingredients, similar to the way we’ve always made our chicken. GOOD Meat 3 gives us a way to make our cultivated meat more readily available, while we continue to scale our technology.”
so 3 percent lab grown meat is in the thing you can buy.
https://www.hubers.com.sg/Productlisting.aspx?CatID=SABVAEIARQBSAFMAMQBIAFUAQgBFAFIAUwA=
but i doubt they sell it, because its not listed in their shop.
At this point, it’s basically a technological marvel. You’re definitely right about that.
Give it 10 years, and I’d be willing to bet you’ll be able to buy 100% lab-grown meat at rates that are at least competitive.
competitive to what , thats the question ;-) but yes, you are completely right, i dont know what the future will bring.
I prefer my veggies in veggie form. Veggie meat seems like the nicotine patch of the food world to me.
