Literally in a car with an immigrant right now who voted Trump because things were cheaper before covid.
FFS.
Anecdotal evidence that the right is for the uneducated.
Anecdotally… About 75% of the right that I know/met.
The other 25% is a mix of racism, greed, and conspiracy theory.
Every time they’ll be complaining about the price hikes under Trump, just remind them of why they voted for Trump. This is the best course of action against “collective amnesia” as we call it in Hungary.
Oh alongside the loss of benefits they rely on (which I told them about), the pandemic potential with the worst Kennedy, even their friends which are of varying ethnicities and going to be targeted, the list is… Long.
uneducatable
Solid distinction.
Religion primed the rubes, and a new godhead told them he is their salvation.
Grocery stores are making record profits. Do they really think they are going to voluntarily cut prices? They know there will be no oversight under trump (not that Biden did anything about price gouging). Prices are going to go up even higher.
Not if people don’t have enough money, then they’ll take the five finger discount.
So sad that dumbasses who think the President controls grocery store prices and gas prices have done this to us all.
I voted for Harris and my state went red for Trump as usual. Just sad and disgusted at it all today.
So guilliani is gonna be bailed out, Vince McMahon is gonna get a pardon too, same with Elon for whatever he wants to do, and pretty much every evil billionaire out there. I also think Trump has no interest in governing, and this administration will be Vance and his project 25 people running the show
Free Sam Bankman Fried. Maybe he can steal more money from morons
Until those morons realize not your keys, not your coins, they deserve to be stolen from.
thats such a powerful statement. thank you for adding to the conversation bro
Your welcome. Always love to help
Can he get Joe exotic Pardoned so at least we get some entertaining train wreck to keep our long off the politics?
Fuck this shit
I have to remind myself that the only silver lining of being Californian and unable to really effect this outcome of this race is that we’re also least likely to pay any personal consequences. Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.
I know already that my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back. Then again, might make little difference if he goes full fascist, but a silver lining is a silver lining none the less.
Over here in Florida where they’re banning books and censoring LGBT from schools. All my family (besides my parents and siblings) are Republicans and are actively voting to the person who is trying to legalize murdering me (trans, closeted) 🙃
My teacher is also an anti masker.
Send help pls.When you’re 18, you’re more than welcome in the New Mexico/Colorado coalition. New Mexico is more affordable, FYI. Until then, there are good people on Lemmy you can lean on.
I noticed that… Redder than ever as I watched the polls. I guess at least it’ll be under the ocean in a few decades. Amazing how it changed since 2000, though. My PhD is in education policy, and also someone who dated a trans woman, I know exactly how fucked y’all are.
If only California could fix it’s housing issues, we really should be a refuge for cool folk like yourself. People used to flock here, for better or worse.
…my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back.
Can you expand on this, in eli5 fashion? Curious foreigner here.
As they said, money, but I’d say there are a few safeguards. On obvious issues like reproductive rights, we can hold out on “states decide” until there’s a federal ban, and even longer with legal challenges. States that rarified it in their construction have a similar setup. We also have organizations in place to help undocumented immigrants so much so that they can get drivers licenses and insurance, etc.
As for things specific to Trump, it’s mostly a matter of having a lot of lawyers ready to challenge things and purposefully not following federal law if needed. 4 years is a remarkably short time to hold out, assuming again they don’t just go full fascist and arrest our governor and state Congress. Technically shouldn’t be possible even with the supreme court but who knows.
Speaking of which, that’s the real problem-- federal appointed judges. So all together we’ll just have to see. States rights is a good thing when you’ve got a good state, though.
Oh that part’s easy.
Money.
California has economic power over the rest of the US because of the money that flows through it.
Calxit?
Nah, that’s a trap. At tempting at it is, it’s better for everyone to stay a union even if California has the 5th (or 6th depending on measure) strongest economy in the world. Plus imagine how fucked the other 49 would be!
CAWAORxit?
CAWAORNYIL… And New Englandxit.
I think that just describes a civil war at this point lol
Yeah I feel the same with illinois.
If I live close to Illinois do you think it’s worth making the move?? Can’t the federal government just do whatever the fuck it wants regardless of state rights
Its more about how the state comports its own affairs so keeping up its public infrastructure and not allowing poisoning of natural spaces and such. I can’t say its worth the move as these things are really situational. Im just sorta glad I am at where I am at.
Good luck gentlemen o7
yeah, thats all fair. it is ignoring how california will be uninhabitable in short order if we dont take immediate steps to curb climate change, and trump has vowed to undo the little progress the biden administration had accomplished, and to “drill, baby, drill”
Yeah, that’s going to be a world wide problem in any case. California can also keep doing it’s green push too, but just like with countries, it’s a moot point if your neighbor is mucking everything up.
Diabetes, please do your job.
trump may very well die within the next 4 years, even 4 weeks after all that campaigning strain, but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?
One thing is sure President Vance would be a total shit show.
There is an interesting question as to what happens if he dies before being sworn in. It’s not clear what succession looks like then, I think…
Likely JD Vance will be chosen as president, he gets some similar weirdo as a vice-president. He will be exactly like Trump, but without the charm.
I’m not as sure.
I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.
If Trump dies he may feel the freedom to do what he wants to do as President, while claiming to be Trump’s heir to the personality cult.
At this point it’s our best outcome.
There’s actually a few more:
- undisputable evidence for destroying ballots, or some other stuff
- a lone gunman 3: this time an army professional with better guns
- unfaithful electors
- Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”
If the Dems took the House, some of those might be perversely better. But between Vance and Johnson, I’d take Vance.
And enough states have laws to prevent unfaithful electors to keep that from being an option.
I absolutely believe Trump won. The dems pushed hard on abortion while abortion was separately on the ballots in several swing states, so even for the virtually unheard-of single-issue pro-choice voters, they could just take care of that with the ballot initiative and then vote for Trump anyway. Meanwhile, the pro-life voters doubled-down against the Dems.
Pro-choice-centered campaigns have always been general election poison. The disasterous 2022 elections should have taught the Dems that. Or Wendy Davis’s 2014 Texas Gubanatorial campaign when she ran on abortion rights and lost by over 20 points in an open election against an unpopular Greg Abbot. At that time, Texas had only elected 2 Republican governors since the previous Democratic woman, and even Perry almost lost the Governor’s mansion in 2006.
Honestly, a smarter version of trump as president is a very concerning thought. I am not sure if it is better or much much worse.
charm
4 more years? Nah. 6 months before they turf him.
This’ll be a Vance presidency.
To what end? He’ll do what billionaires and the project 2025 ghouls want him to anyways. He doesn’t need to be turfed. They want to keep him there soaking up all the media attention and hate while they do their evil shit in the dark.
yes. the real life zaphoid beebelbrox.
Why bother, fat fuck is one fateful hamberder away from fucking off.
Likely fried chicken
The humble pretzel almost took out Bush Jr
And it won’t end after 4 years.
Not like I expect couchfucker to be any better then the rapist.
Did the couch give consent?
If not…
They wouldn’t need to bother. High risk for relatively little benefit over him nominally being in the position.
If they are going to sideline him in practice, I’d expect more of a Dick Cheney. It’s not like he’s going to stand in the way as long as he gets personally enriched/protected.
I’ve been wondering if this is one of the unwritten plays of Project 2025.
The entire rest of the world needs to be on watch, trump is a potential threat to other countries
FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN AMERICA GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
Lol and go where? From what I can tell, Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right. Western Europe is already getting sick of immigrants and dealing with the far right.
and move where? to another country electing fascists?
Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.
I’d love to leave, but it isn’t feasible for me. I’m absolutely terrified and have no way out.
You realize that unless you have a second citizenship it’s not easy to just up and leave for another country?
Most people don’t. I really didn’t get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she’s seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked “OK where are we moving to?” to only get a lengthy conversation of how it’s works and how hard it is. It’s not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.
maybe it’s not time to run, maybe it’s time to fight.
Ahhh yes, it is so easy to pick up and move to another country. Why didn’t anyone think of this earlier?
always has been.
I really wished what little labor protections we had could have lasted my lifetime.
America was an “At-Will” Democracy
Our embassy would be calling for our citizens to leave USA now if not the pesky international relations.
Assuming…you know…Biden will lose his record for oldest president ever and the gerontocracy continues.
Gotta think 2029 brings the biggest drop in age for a long time, JFK was 26 years younger than Eisenhower. We could beat it with a 56 year old in 2029. Vance would break that record if by election or…you know…but I think Whitmer would be 56 exactly. Wes Moore, Buttigieg, Josh Shapiro would all break it.
You’re assuming you have further elections
wonder how long itll be before he vacates all his convictions and suit penalties
While he can’t legally vacate his state felony convictions it will either go:
- The judge gives him a slap on the wrist to appear neutral, because liberals love taking the high road and shooting themselves in the dick.
- Trump tries and SCOTUS gives him a free pass because it is ‘part of his duties as president’ to not go to jail or whatever fucking excuse.
John Roberts will be remembered for plunging his knife into America’s vulnerable.
If the judge is brave enough to actually put him in prison trump will just ignore it.
This is the guy who never pays his business partners. Who is going to make him go to prison? Someone immune to criminal prosecution and in charge of the military surrounded by yes men in control of every branch of government.
The same guy who has avoided all consequences for anything he has ever done up to now and was allowed to run again. The sentencing date was set specifically after the election to see the results first.
I would prefer the judge actually sentenced him to jail even uf it gets ignored, but I expect that to play a part in them taking it down to a slap on the wrist.
They should throw the book at him and lock him in solitary (because gen pop is too dangerous for a President Elect).
Yeah, SCOTUS will bail him out saying the President has to government, but he’s not President for 2 more months and the conviction is for crimes prior to his guest presidency, so Executive immunity doesn’t count. Let him rot for 2 months.
That would be doing the right thing so of course it won’t happen.
And he’ll hand this country to the rich in a silver platter.
Goya is back in the White House ugh
Shithole country.
Real Vanity Fair image, in case you were curious like me. From this article, about a quarter of the way down (on mobile at least): https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/donald-trump-wins-presidential-election-2024?srsltid=AfmBOoqLRfHo70JfvoeZaBIJqUpWHxf0nO_UKHUatbC_cgIqMWF3_dU9
