• Delphia@lemmy.world
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    Nsfw, Nsfl, and “Porn”

    I like nsfw memes but dont want my feed full of porn. I have a seperate account for porn.

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      Yes, a renaissance artwork that contains naked women, actual hardcore porn, and a Russian soldier being blown to pieces in Ukraine, should not occupy the same “NSFW” tag…

      Of course there’s going to be grey area stuff, but 3 buckets like this is much much better than a single “everything people might not want to see” bucket.

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      I feel like the lines at that point get way too blurred. It would be like having a “porn” and “full blown porn” tag or hardcore versus softcore.

      I will admit a distinct NSFW tag could be good for somewhat taboo stuff like mildly offensive jokes for example.

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        Would be kind of hilarious. You can have one normal tag like “serious” is for ask lemmy, then a million tags like soft core, forced, NSFL, etc…

        Like the fediverse would be catering to SO MUCH PORN at that point

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          I don’t think it would mean much with each instance having their own rules.

          I can only imagine instances arguing and defederating from each other because they have different rules regarding tagging.

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        What if we just had specific tags that we could filter for. everything gets the nsfw tag but we have specific tags for nudity, violence, etc.

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          I’m not sure my concern would still be blurred lines and people either forgetting to use tags or not realizing how or when to use them. For example a news article about police violence getting tagged with the violence tag on some instances but not others.

          I’m also opposed to auto or over moderation and I feel like it’s one of those things that could potentially push Lemmy in that direction eventually.

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          You’re only seeing celebrity pics because that is the only SFW community on lemmynsfw. By default most lemmy instances hide NSFW posts unless you’re logged in with an account set to show NSFW. They are running 0.18.3-nsfwpatch, so if you navigate there directly you will see everything, but viewing lemmynsfw logged out from another instance will only show you celebrity pictures.

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          You need to enable ‘NSFW’ content in settings, which probably requires an account. Without that, you just see ‘SFW’ content (on feeds, at least), which is as you describe

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      NSFW is an American construct, in Europe people don’t get scared by nudity. If Lemmy is truly worldwide, we can get rid of it.

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          People would literally rather care more about why are you on lemmy or reddit during work time than your sexual preferences.

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      This and also

      • politics or religious
      • dull stuff like sports

      By “porn”, I suppose you mean nudity?

      • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.ee
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        I’m confused on what your question is

        A content warning tag is similar to a spoiler tag, but you can fill out the warning yourself. So you could type something like “movie ending spoiler” or on Mastodon you’ll see considerate triggers like “TW: suicide” for various trigger warnings.

        Which the ability for that makes more sense then having multiple individual tags. Also ActivityPub supports it already anyways, and it works nicely on Mastodon

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          Cool, thanks. There was no disingenuousness in my query, just lack of info combined with apathy to go make yet another mastodon account I will likelt never revisit, for info gathering.

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            Basically when you add a content warning on Masto it’ll just display that content warning in people’s feeds but hide the actual content, unless they choose to click and expand. Blurs any attached images too. So you sort of know what you’re in for if something is marked “CW: pet loss” for example, and can choose whether that’s something you want to look at.

            I think there’s a setting somewhere to automatically expand CW posts if you’re not fussed about things like that, but it’s helpful for people who do have a common trigger.

            Pretty slick feature tbh!

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      I think content warnings would be a better approach to this, all other fediverse software have content warnings anyway. Making community content to force use content warnings would be helpful too.

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        i agree, use of cw would be more useful because ’nsfw’ is just too vague and not specific enough.

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        Life is correct, NSFW is just something risqué or something that has bad language that you shouldn’t look at at work, but NSFL is like gore or something disgusting or terrible that you shouldn’t look at EVER, ANYWHERE unless you’re desensitized lol

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    I haven’t seen anything gorey here, luckily. I would much rather see an automatic video tag for both titles and comments. Kind of sick of opening YouTube unintentionally.

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    RIGHT!?!?! Like I hate taking a gamble on whether I’ll see an infected maggot ridden foot or a big breasted cat girl turning into a Willy Wonka blueberry.

    At least I did on Reddit, I can’t get the porn to show up on Lemmy outside of one or two completely dead instances I have to go out of my way for.

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      Some of these responses seem to find bouncers and springers more gross than wounds, death and diseases. Like a bunch of psycho puritan Catholic warmongers.

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          Melons and popsicles.

          Sandbags and beercans.

          Milkjugs and wieners.

          I’m trying to make it American friendly, they’re very sensitive people when it comes to this type of thing. Images of Auschwitz would be mild to them if it weren’t for how naked all the people were.

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    Absolutely. Throwing everything that you may not want to open at work in with hardcore porn as an all-or-nothing view choice is incredibly shortsighted.

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      Yeah, porn stars would appreciate being able to see their work without having to expose themselves to Gore et al

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    NSFW and NSFL can mean different things to different people and cultures.

    Best example is that in some countries, showing a boob isn’t straight away NSFW as much as it is in America.

    Opposite example: In America, showing blood is almost G rated at this point (at least it feels that way to a non-American watching American media). In China you effectively can’t show blood in any media.

    As has been mentioned in the comments already one solution would be more specific categories, probably customizable by site admins to suit their particular site culture. Either that or a site can stick to just a single NSFW tag to donate a more “hey, this might not be the best thing to look at”.

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      The distinction is made to differentiate between two very different and clearly separated categories, one being just inapproriate to show around (a boob on your phone in a public is inappropriate pretty much everywhere, not just in the puritan US) and straight disturbing content that you might never want to see, even in private.

      Different customizeable categories would be needlessly complicated to implement in every client

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    Just do NSFW and PORN.
    Porn is the reason for wanting a distinction, so don’t beat around the bush.

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      A gore or nsfl tag is much more important than a porn one. The disturbing shit that will haunt my nightmares is what I want to keep off my feed, I’m not particularly worried about accidentally seeing some genitals.

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      No, the NSFL tag is more important imo. I don’t mind seeing tits randomly, I do not wanna see gore ever, period.

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        Even NSFL could be ideally split into NSFL and ENSFL (Extremely Not Safe for Life)

        I don’t mind seeing like an X-RAY of somebody who broke their arm in 4 places, but a photo of it IRL and blood everywhere is ENSFL

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          But I don’t think an X-RAY would even qualify as NSFL, would it? I mean you see that factually, that probably hurts, but you get zero impression of it.
          Kinda like fotos of the atomic bomb explosions from WW2. You know some people are suffering in the very moment that foto was taken, but you can’t see it, so it’s not NSFL.
          Or do you have a dofferent oppinion?

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        at that point it’d probably be better to just have a CW system like Mastodon

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      That’s not what the terms are aimed at though? NSFW covers a very broad range of things. You expect it to be pork 95% of the time, so it already means that. The main thing people want to separate are things like gore, death, racism, etc. So that’s what is being asked for. Separate links out because a NSFL link should seldom be clicked on but imo deserves to exist for discussion and calling out people on legitimate issues.

      I was never a fan of the “death porn” put on Reddit but I do appreciate the real and unsanitized reality of some situations when the news can’t show them.

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    This is one of my dream features to make lemmynsfw moderation easier, alongside site mods and content warnings (alongside the ability to edit and force nsfw on posts in specific communities… and maybe being able to by default turn off instances caching OUR images as a “do not cache” server flag…)

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    I can see many people in the comments mentioning various levels of specificity for the tags. I think porn and gore should perhaps have a tag each. Maybe one or two more categories, but having too many would complicate posting on Lemmy a lot. For example, whether or not to put a politics tag may be ambiguous in some cases. I’m not sure about historical artwork, as there are situations where it’s normal to be viewing it. There are also some works that I’d rather not be seen looking at in all places: some of that stuff got weird. Not to mention: people marking things NSFW as a joke just confuses things further.

    I never noticed it being a big problem though. I think just having one, two , maybe three different tags at most and letting communities play it by ear would work fine.

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    NSFL is just another name for gore or footage of death or injury. “Not safe for life” is not a thing. There’s no actual image that can kill you unless you have epilepsy or some other form of photosensitivity. I heard “Not safe for looking” but that’s an idiotic acronym, and most people don’t interpret NSFL that way at first, and it still has the connotation that it can physically harm you for some reason.

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      I think nobody thinks about NSFL as some form of physical damage, but as something that could get you traumatized.

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      I always thought it was “Not Safe For Lunch”, as in it could be vomit-inducing.