“It’s fine to insult white people for being white” is a bad battle for the left to pick. There’s nothing to gain, and the approach of “you shouldn’t rip on anyone for their skin color” (to say nothing of any other characteristic outside of one’s control) is hard to refute.
Okay but like, everyone here is laughing at the fact that “stupid white bastard” was apparently considered a slur. Like she didn’t even say cracker or anything but I guess just saying someone is white is bad optics now or whatever.
If you think it’s a problem, why don’t you ask the mods to start banning it, and remove all the emojis while we’re at it?
And what I’m saying is “stupid white bastard is not a slur and the fact that people thought it was is funny.” You’re just gonna ignore the first and main point of my post?
Either way, like I said, if you think it’s a problem, take it to the mods, and if they agree with you, then they can begin the crackdown on “anti-white racism.” Problem solved right?
If you don’t understand why “stupid white bastard” is ok but “stupid black bastard” is not, then you don’t actually understand racism. You just think it’s when you’re mean about someone’s skin color, not when you’re systematically ruining an entire group of people because of their skin color.
If your definition of racism doesn’t include “animosity based on skin color,” it’s not a good definition. That is an extremely common way the word is actually used.
It’s good to talk to people about how this sort of comment is different when it’s directed at a white person vs. a black person; it’s silly to say there’s nothing wrong with disparaging someone’s skin color as long as they’re white.
Hexbear decided you’re wrong about this 3 years ago because racism is systemic racism apparently (don’t ask me why systemic racism exists as a phrase if all racism is inherently systemic)
How about I phrase it this way for you bow tie wearing dorks and reddit debate perverts. If anti-white racism is real, then it’s fine and funny. If interpersonal animosity based on skin color is always “racism” then this type of behavior towards whites is fine. That satiate your rationality idealist framing enough for you to shut the fuck up? Yeah I’m an anti-white racist, so what? “whiteness” is a pathetic construct in a way that no other ethnicity is, a void of identity, and nobody should want to be part of it.
you’re kinda dumb if you think this tack is in any way good propaganda and the fact that even comrades being kinda like ehhhh about it should maybe tip you off to the fact that saying “you can’t be racist against white people” will do literally nothing except radicalize more cracker ass liberals towards reaction because it feels wrong to them and no amount of debatelord “🤓🤓🤓 akshually racism requires systemic power behind it to be real racism 🤓🤓🤓” is going to get through past that initial kneejerk reaction, regardless of whether or not your argument about racism is correct to begin with, so maybe you should be like idk mindful of that
love this site and i get in on making fun of white people too (and for the record I am pro calling this cop a stupid white bastard) but like god damn I hope nobody on here is involved in any kind of revolutionary propaganda effort
and if you think “well if people will go reactionary just because people were mean to them they’re baby brained morons” then you might be right, people are baby brained morons, maybe be mindful of how that affects their behavior
bow tie wearing dorks and reddit debate perverts
so ironic that that is so much how I feel about you lmao
your meta optics and worrying about what others might think is a disingenuous way to just say what you think. You feel offended and othered by the anti-white racism, you aren’t worried about hypothetical others and optics. We’re on hexbear ffs. I was honest and just outright stated why I don’t care about this argument, the least you could do is be honest as well that cracker is offensive to you.
FURTHERMORE honestly as a cracker I think white people deserve a little racism, I just think it’s some fucky linguistic shell game that does nothing but piss (white) people off to not call it that when it’s directed towards them
It only pisses SOME white people off because they’re still tied to this belief that white is a race that can be oppressed when it’s all, and always been, imaginary reaction to the real racism their ancestors created and never did anything meaningful to abolish that they might feel guilty about but don’t know how to channel. And if we say fine, anti white racism exist then what? What does that accomplish? What’s the end goal?
This is some white south africans are oppressed bullshit.
okay you could think I’m being disingenuous for whatever reason instead of like considering what I said, thanks
You feel offended and othered by the anti-white racism,
no I just disagree with the assertion that it literally cannot exist, when the arguments as to why that is the case basically boil down to “it’s not real racism if it’s not systemic racism.” That’s what people are saying when they say it isn’t real unless there is institutional backing, that racism requires “power plus privilege,” they’re literally talking about the concept of systemic racism. So why the fuck does the phrase systemic racism even exist if, to be racism, the racism must be systemic?
I am always bothered by this whenever it comes up just because I think the argument is fucking wrong. I think if someone out there actually does or says some prejudiced shit against someone solely because they are white, that is racism, and the 5d chess game trying to say that no that’s just sparkling bigotry unless like the government and all of society support that bigotry is stupid and unproductive and helps literally nobody.
“whiteness” is a pathetic construct in a way that no other ethnicity is, a void of identity, and nobody should want to be part of it.
Did you ever address this? There are numerous people with light skin who do not fall under the category of “white” because it is a fabricated race category based on historical privilege. As for the “systemic” argument, this seems to just be wordplay mixing systemic context with systemic enforcement? When people talk about systemic racism, they’re talking about racism enforced by the system (government, police/prisons, ordinary institutions), whereas the racism being discussed is found in interactions, and even if you took a white and a black person to a deserted island where there would be no material forces from the outset creating oppression of one by the other, the white’s racism still takes on a historical/systemic context in the race relations evoked. And yet there is no state apparatus/system in place to enforce discrimination. So clearly “racism” and “systemic racism” do not mean the same thing.
damn I typed a whole ass response to this without realizing you didn’t even really respond to me at all, like, literally 0 words addressing why this entire argument about racism = systemic racism even exists, just raging at me
The fact that acti-rasciism legistion is being used to protect a white person proves you are wrong about this. I am sorry. Mayocide memes are the only way
Bruh next thing you’ll be whining about heterophobia, cisphobia, anti-American sentiment, Christianophobia, and ableism against the able-bodied. That’s exactly how you sound. There’s an unambiguous oppressor v oppressed dynamic that makes jabs at the former group trivial in comparison and if you can’t see that idk what to say. Please lecture us next on how the “tissues for cissues” emoji is just as offensive and bigoted as a “trans tears” mug
To get technical. White isn’t a race. Black became a race since our past was stolen and we have no direct ties to where we came from(though that leads to race being a construct anyway but that’s another convo). White was created to racialize/otherise and barely means anything today beyond a descriptor. Before white people were just Irish or British or wherever white people come from.
I mean Sam Kerr is a white Australian. Her calling a white English cop a white bastard is not a big deal, unless you want to make the argument that she’s somehow being racist to herself by doing this.
A white person ripping on another white person for being white sounds like the type of performative self-flaggelation discussed in this thread.
Besides, of course people can make prejudiced comments about groups they’re part of. Look at Shahrazad Ali, Phyllis Schlafly, or basically any reactionary who isn’t a white cis guy.
edit: for anyone stumbling into the drama, i probably should have elaborated on this post. I am not saying you can’t make fun of white people not being able to eat spicy food or anything, but at some point it becomes self-flagellating.
@[email protected] post was about white people hating themselves as a form of self harm. He raised no real issue with cracker jokes and absolutely did not put forth the idea that minorities should be punished for being “racist” towards white people. That post has nothing to do with this and its disgusting you would weaponize it in this way.
I agree. But I also believe that 99.99% of white people do not care about ”slurs” towards them because they have nothing to fear, and it’s just a personal offense like calling someone a rock head or dumbass. White people should care if they get called honkey or redneck since those are classist terms for poor white people, and they’re being systemically discriminated against.
Wrong. Racism has systemic and structural components to it. You can’t be racist to white people in white majority supremacist countries. Like, by definition.
“It’s fine to insult white people for being white” is a bad battle for the left to pick. There’s nothing to gain, and the approach of “you shouldn’t rip on anyone for their skin color” (to say nothing of any other characteristic outside of one’s control) is hard to refute.
Okay but like, everyone here is laughing at the fact that “stupid white bastard” was apparently considered a slur. Like she didn’t even say cracker or anything but I guess just saying someone is white is bad optics now or whatever.
If you think it’s a problem, why don’t you ask the mods to start banning it, and remove all the emojis while we’re at it?
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And what I’m saying is “stupid white bastard is not a slur and the fact that people thought it was is funny.” You’re just gonna ignore the first and main point of my post?
Either way, like I said, if you think it’s a problem, take it to the mods, and if they agree with you, then they can begin the crackdown on “anti-white racism.” Problem solved right?
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lmao you really are on one today
don’t you ever get embarrassed being this much of a cringe fucking dork?
If you don’t understand why “stupid white bastard” is ok but “stupid black bastard” is not, then you don’t actually understand racism. You just think it’s when you’re mean about someone’s skin color, not when you’re systematically ruining an entire group of people because of their skin color.
If your definition of racism doesn’t include “animosity based on skin color,” it’s not a good definition. That is an extremely common way the word is actually used.
It’s good to talk to people about how this sort of comment is different when it’s directed at a white person vs. a black person; it’s silly to say there’s nothing wrong with disparaging someone’s skin color as long as they’re white.
Hexbear decided you’re wrong about this 3 years ago because racism is systemic racism apparently (don’t ask me why systemic racism exists as a phrase if all racism is inherently systemic)
How about I phrase it this way for you bow tie wearing dorks and reddit debate perverts. If anti-white racism is real, then it’s fine and funny. If interpersonal animosity based on skin color is always “racism” then this type of behavior towards whites is fine. That satiate your rationality idealist framing enough for you to shut the fuck up? Yeah I’m an anti-white racist, so what? “whiteness” is a pathetic construct in a way that no other ethnicity is, a void of identity, and nobody should want to be part of it.
see my whole thing is basically:
you’re kinda dumb if you think this tack is in any way good propaganda and the fact that even comrades being kinda like ehhhh about it should maybe tip you off to the fact that saying “you can’t be racist against white people” will do literally nothing except radicalize more cracker ass liberals towards reaction because it feels wrong to them and no amount of debatelord “🤓🤓🤓 akshually racism requires systemic power behind it to be real racism 🤓🤓🤓” is going to get through past that initial kneejerk reaction, regardless of whether or not your argument about racism is correct to begin with, so maybe you should be like idk mindful of that
love this site and i get in on making fun of white people too (and for the record I am pro calling this cop a stupid white bastard) but like god damn I hope nobody on here is involved in any kind of revolutionary propaganda effort
and if you think “well if people will go reactionary just because people were mean to them they’re baby brained morons” then you might be right, people are baby brained morons, maybe be mindful of how that affects their behavior
so ironic that that is so much how I feel about you lmao
your meta optics and worrying about what others might think is a disingenuous way to just say what you think. You feel offended and othered by the anti-white racism, you aren’t worried about hypothetical others and optics. We’re on hexbear ffs. I was honest and just outright stated why I don’t care about this argument, the least you could do is be honest as well that cracker is offensive to you.
FURTHERMORE honestly as a cracker I think white people deserve a little racism, I just think it’s some fucky linguistic shell game that does nothing but piss (white) people off to not call it that when it’s directed towards them
can you give me the pass
It only pisses SOME white people off because they’re still tied to this belief that white is a race that can be oppressed when it’s all, and always been, imaginary reaction to the real racism their ancestors created and never did anything meaningful to abolish that they might feel guilty about but don’t know how to channel. And if we say fine, anti white racism exist then what? What does that accomplish? What’s the end goal? This is some white south africans are oppressed bullshit.
okay you could think I’m being disingenuous for whatever reason instead of like considering what I said, thanks
no I just disagree with the assertion that it literally cannot exist, when the arguments as to why that is the case basically boil down to “it’s not real racism if it’s not systemic racism.” That’s what people are saying when they say it isn’t real unless there is institutional backing, that racism requires “power plus privilege,” they’re literally talking about the concept of systemic racism. So why the fuck does the phrase systemic racism even exist if, to be racism, the racism must be systemic?
I am always bothered by this whenever it comes up just because I think the argument is fucking wrong. I think if someone out there actually does or says some prejudiced shit against someone solely because they are white, that is racism, and the 5d chess game trying to say that no that’s just sparkling bigotry unless like the government and all of society support that bigotry is stupid and unproductive and helps literally nobody.
Did you ever address this? There are numerous people with light skin who do not fall under the category of “white” because it is a fabricated race category based on historical privilege. As for the “systemic” argument, this seems to just be wordplay mixing systemic context with systemic enforcement? When people talk about systemic racism, they’re talking about racism enforced by the system (government, police/prisons, ordinary institutions), whereas the racism being discussed is found in interactions, and even if you took a white and a black person to a deserted island where there would be no material forces from the outset creating oppression of one by the other, the white’s racism still takes on a historical/systemic context in the race relations evoked. And yet there is no state apparatus/system in place to enforce discrimination. So clearly “racism” and “systemic racism” do not mean the same thing.
damn I typed a whole ass response to this without realizing you didn’t even really respond to me at all, like, literally 0 words addressing why this entire argument about racism = systemic racism even exists, just raging at me
You still on this kick huh?
The fact that acti-rasciism legistion is being used to protect a white person proves you are wrong about this. I am sorry. Mayocide memes are the only way
Bruh next thing you’ll be whining about heterophobia, cisphobia, anti-American sentiment, Christianophobia, and ableism against the able-bodied. That’s exactly how you sound. There’s an unambiguous oppressor v oppressed dynamic that makes jabs at the former group trivial in comparison and if you can’t see that idk what to say. Please lecture us next on how the “tissues for cissues” emoji is just as offensive and bigoted as a “trans tears” mug
To get technical. White isn’t a race. Black became a race since our past was stolen and we have no direct ties to where we came from(though that leads to race being a construct anyway but that’s another convo). White was created to racialize/otherise and barely means anything today beyond a descriptor. Before white people were just Irish or British or wherever white people come from.
I mean Sam Kerr is a white Australian. Her calling a white English cop a white bastard is not a big deal, unless you want to make the argument that she’s somehow being racist to herself by doing this.
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A white person ripping on another white person for being white sounds like the type of performative self-flaggelation discussed in this thread.
Besides, of course people can make prejudiced comments about groups they’re part of. Look at Shahrazad Ali, Phyllis Schlafly, or basically any reactionary who isn’t a white cis guy.
i don’t really care about “the left” or whatever. Using white as an insult can be funny
I do
I can make a lot of jokes, so if some of them rub current or potential comrades the wrong way I’m pretty happy with all the other jokes out there.
You disengenous fuck.
@[email protected] post was about white people hating themselves as a form of self harm. He raised no real issue with cracker jokes and absolutely did not put forth the idea that minorities should be punished for being “racist” towards white people. That post has nothing to do with this and its disgusting you would weaponize it in this way.
Skim through the thread, there are plenty of other people with takes different from the part you quoted from the OP.
If it bothers you so much, then do more to fight the existing power structure, because this sort of thing won’t go away until white supremacy does.
I agree. But I also believe that 99.99% of white people do not care about ”slurs” towards them because they have nothing to fear, and it’s just a personal offense like calling someone a rock head or dumbass. White people should care if they get called honkey or redneck since those are classist terms for poor white people, and they’re being systemically discriminated against.
I kinda agree but also like think it’s nerd shit because it doesn’t actually hurt any white people.
Wrong. Racism has systemic and structural components to it. You can’t be racist to white people in white
majoritysupremacist countries. Like, by definition.