i’ve seen this phrase used around here in a few variations and it rarely gets called out as problematic. i really don’t think its ok so i thought i’d ask: does hexbear think its ok? i can understand and support the use of violence against fascists and colonizers, but genocide is really their thing. i don’t see why it makes sense to use it even as a rhetorical device. why doesn’t this get called out? is genocide so normalized in casual conversation that it doesn’t register or what?

edit: i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don’t like it or get it, but i’ve had my fill of arguing with y’all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i’ll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.

now that everyone has had a chance to chime in, i’m just going to add some context for y’all

  1. most of the responses i got at first were from [he/him]s which is why i said the above. nothing against any gender, just what i saw. it wasn’t my intention to misgender anyone sorry if it came across that way. i really meant it as an observation of who was jumping in to reply at the start of the thread, but i didn’t realize how it could be perceived in other contexts.
  2. i’m not american. i’m technically a US citizen, but i have much more significant cultural ties to SV, MX, and separately and to a lesser extent NA indigenous community. i don’t always get where western people are coming from. i like the overall tone of hexbear maybe i just don’t how imaginary genocide is supposed to be cathartic. i apologize if it came across like i’m trying to tone police y’all. that’s really not my jam, but y’all do seem a little pre-disposed to getting offended when your little jokes are questioned.
  3. i still don’t like the joke, so i’m going to remove them from my feed. if y’all don’t have an issue with it that’s fine. i was just trying to get a feel for what y’all think. the push back was a little upsetting after the day i had yesterday, but i’m over it now. i can live with curating my own experience based on my personal taste.
  4. i haven’t been that articulate, but i think my feelings are best summarized by this reply:

As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former

  • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    10 months ago

    geordi-no Genocide jokes.

    geordi-yes Throwing Nazis in the pit jokes.

    Genocide is of an ethnicity/nation/racial group of people’s, and it’s not okay to hurt people for the who they are or where they were born. Now people’s choices that they make in sound mind is something that can be judged, harshly if their choice is to do something particularly heinous. For example, Nazis choose to hurt people because of traits that they cannot change; whereas the Nazi can change his ideals and choose to not hurt people. Therefore, throwing Nazis in the pit as they say you’re the real Nazi is funny af.

    wojak-nooo

  • oktherebuddy@hexbear.netEnglish
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    10 months ago

    because it’s funny. associated with memes about JDPON and general posting in Maoist standard English

  • radiofreeval [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Don’t be daft. Nobody actually wants unlimited genocide on the global north. We just enjoy saying unlimited genocide on the global north. In fact, it’s very fun to say and you should try saying unlimited genocide on the global north more. Although if someone did truly want unlimited genocide on the global north they would probably get banned swiftly by our lovely mods who also enjoy saying unlimited genocide on the global north.

    Mr. Evrart’s helping me find my unlimited genocide on the global north…

  • iie [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    10 months ago

    the original meme was about communist banter being unhinged and socially unacceptable.

    I think it resonates with us because it’s relatable, we’ve all been the person holding their tongue at a family gathering. I also think it resonates as a reaction to the lopsided “colonizer deaths are a tragedy while colonized deaths are a footnote” tone-policing in western media (see Israel discourse). Also, a politics of violent revolution makes flippant humor inevitable, back in '73 people were joking about “spain’s first astronaut” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Carrero_Blanco

  • duderium [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Not crazy about it but the global north has been doing genocide on the global south for five centuries. It’s not a meme. It’s reality.

        • xj9 [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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          10 months ago

          only whitened people call for genocide, stop being whitened. grow a real culture please. that’s all we ask. i know it sounds like everything you know would be destroyed, but that’s a good thing and you need to do it to yourselves. please.

            • Mindfury [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              10 months ago

              i know it sounds like everything you know would be destroyed, but that’s a good thing and you need to do it to yourselves. please.

              if only there were a slightly shorter way of expressing this exact sentence thonk

              • SmokinStalin [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                10 months ago

                Dude, I think ik what it is. And now i kinda agree with them.

                You can’t genocide yourself. The first world has to change themselves.

                Equating the radical change we need to a genocide is litterally what fascists are doing with the “white genocide” bullshit.

                UGOTFW meme “ironically” uses the SAME false equivalence. In doing so, It ends up just actually reinforcing an idea fascists are trying to spread. I’m willing to give up the joke.

  • CA0311 [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    10 months ago

    the original “thank you for not saying unlimited genocide on the first world at my parents house I know that took restraint” image is really fucking funny imo. It’s a great comic/meme/joke. it’s been referenced repeatedly until the joke isn’t a joke anymore and it’s not that funny anymore, but that happens to everything so it’s not a big deal imo. using the word genocide in that context is kind of surprising and excessive which is what makes the comic funny. but it has maybe became an unpleasant phrase that people use way too much. dunno how important anything said in hexbear really is tho lol

  • ilyenkov [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    10 months ago

    “The First World” (or Global North, etc.) isn’t an ethnicity, race, or any group of people. And it should be destroyed. This doesn’t mean kill everyone in the first world anymore that “Death to America” means kill everyone in America. It’s also not a joke; it’s a meme phrase but the sentiment is genuine

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      10 months ago

      This doesn’t mean kill everyone in the first world anymore that “Death to America” means kill everyone in America.

      Genocide does actually mean “kill everyone,” though.

    • xj9 [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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      10 months ago

      i’m on board with “the only good nazi is a dead nazi”, which is fine gallows humor. that’s different from using basically a fash position as a joke to seem like a cool nonchalant mass murderer. do you not hear yourself? or do you spend way too much time around fascists? i’m really not understanding why y’all feel the need to defend this joke so hard.