It’s because we don’t have a functioning congress that will pass laws to regulate this kind of predatory behavior.
This is what party politics and capitalism devolves into. Expensive fast food, greed marketed as inflation, and record emissions while the Supreme Court slowly chips away at our collective rights.
At this point our only fix would be to elect enough representatives who will vote against their best interest to repeal citizens united, so politicians cannot be bought by corporations, so we can pass some long overdue shit like stricter monopoly laws, rental price hike limits and profit regulations.
Unfortunately the majority of them right now are acting in the best interest of their largest donors, and THATS the problem. Unfortunately, too many of us think this is sports so nothing gets done.
Orrrrrrr we can just participate in our electoral process more and be more aware of who the people we cast votes for and what they’re beholden to, but that’s not sexy enough for hexbear users.
Do whatever you want dude. You can cum harder than the Chinese government cracking down on its people, but it won’t make you any more right or prove any point here.
You’re talking about electoralism when this is an issue where the vast majority of voters have nobody to vote for that actually aligns with their interests. Do you vote for Biden the senile Zionist or Trump the deranged Zionist?
You want to work within the system? Make a billion dollars doing something morally depraved and bribe the politcians yourself. It’s just as unrealistic as voooooting your way to progress and more effective.
Yeah I don’t really care about party politics so I’m not going to go further into what x or y party does, I’m just saying between engaging in a flawed system and replacing it with another system it will always be easier to engage in what already exists.
It’s not an assumption it’s literally how basically everything in this universe works.
It’s generally easier to fix something than completely redo it. Less materials, less energy expenditure, less time.
I can use whatever analogy you want but the fact is it would be much easier to get more active in local politics and make a positive change that way than tear the whole system down and hope it doesn’t fall victim to the same power-hungry tyrants in another form.
That’s why in nature all organism live forever instead of creating an entirely new organism to propagate their genetic line. Why waste all the resources on reproduction when you can make the original organism live forever. It’s that simple!
You: “I disagree with Ogodei Khan’s’s policies and the Mongol Empire is collapsing on multiple fronts, if only we declare Kublai Khan the Great Khan at the Kurultai then the true will of the people will prevail and the empire will be cured!”
I mean it’s that or burn it all down, and at our current rate of economic and ecological breakdown we don’t really have the time or resources to form a better structure.
It’s much more economical for example, to repair the climate than it would be to terraform another planet. At a much smaller scale, it’s easier to fix the system than replace it.
If we can’t even decide on basic shit like “is the earth warming at a rate that is hostile to life” or “is Taylor Swift a psyop” how are we supposed to form a new cohesive government? It’s going to be hard enough electing decent people to any structure you can think of.
I’m on board for anything better that we can realistically accomplish in the next decade that can guarantee long term prosperity for the people and also is not subject to greedy and power-hungry officials.
Better engagement in the voting process by the voting public, for a start.
Unfortunately too many Americans either pay no attention to our political system, are misled enough on its operations, or are too complacent or depressed to care.
This is the root of the issue that has allowed the current system to be so corrupt, and regardless of governmental structure this is what needs to be solved before anything else.
If we can’t even decide on basic shit like “is the earth warming at a rate that is hostile to life” how are we supposed to form a new cohesive government? It’s going to be hard enough electing decent people to any structure you can think of.
You yourself are making our point for why liberal democracy cannot fix itself. We can’t form a “cohesive government” as you say within this system. That’s why its necessary for this system to end.
You will never be able to elect “decent people” because you, us, the people do not have a say in who they get to vote for. This government does not exist for us, and it is not a democracy for us. And it never will be, until the power of capital is broken
When your way has been implemented, and the system is overthrown, and all is just and fair, how are you going to protect this revolution from the next one?
As you said, the government doesn’t work for us. I don’t know of any structure that truly does because they all rely on those given power to use it responsibly and relinquish it eventually, which will always be subject to corruption.
But the alternative is anarchy, and that’s not going to work either.
how are you going to protect this revolution from the next one?
There’s an entire intellectual tradition about this called Marxism-Leninism. There are successful Marxist-Leninist governments that exist right now, including the largest nation on earth. We aren’t aren’t talking about a fantasy here, there is is over a hundred years of paractice and two hundred of theory, if you’re interested in our worldview
As you said, the government doesn’t work for us. I don’t know of any structure that truly does
Liberal democracy does not work for us - as in the people who are not in the ruling class. That isn’t because of some immutable characteristic of all governments, it is by the design of the US government and all liberal democracies.
They were designed by and to work to the benefit of the ruling class - capitalists. That’s why it doesn’t work for us. Thats the key element and that’s what we advocate for a change of. The only way to change things in through class struggle - and placing power in the hands of our class.
But the alternative is anarchy, and that’s not going to work either.
We have anarchists here and we keep the place non-sectarian. MLs would agree but not for the same reasons as you. Our disagreement is that we need the power of a state to safeguard the gains of a revolution against the global capitalist class and their state forces. Anarchists have a different view, but they understand the importance of revolutionary class struggle and disagreements aside, their theory of change is infinitely more grounded in reality than yours
Corruption is a fundamental problem of any system of governance, and it reaches a point where the only route to defeat it is to kill the fucking cheats who set it up.
Voting is nit going to fix a system that has intentionally broken voting to invalidate you. Only revolution can do that.
What’s sad is that you think you’re the one being realistic, when your theory of change is complete fantasy.
What we’re talking about has been done and accomplished before and exists in the real world, including the largest nation on earth. What you’re talking about has never happened
People are clowning on you because of the naive electoralism and because you come from a instance but you’re not completely wrong. You just need to go a step further and realize that what the system is doing now is what it was designed to do. Working within it is not going to get you anywhere. Also the guy you’re replying to is joking.
You just need to go a step further and realize that what the system is doing now is what it was designed to do
That’s the key thing with all well meaning lib arguements. They believe their system is broken, when in fact its working perfectly and it was never their system to begin with
I have yet to hear a tenable solution from anyone in this thread, seems y’all just like trolling on others rather than have productive discussions. That just makes people less inclined to listen to you until you sink further into your own echo chamber.
Thats how liberal democracy is intended to work you fucking lib shit!!!
That’s what i just said and you read and you still don’t get it, because you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about
echo chamber
No communist in the west lives in an echo chamber. We hear your view - the fatalistic lib, capitalist realism veiw everywhere. You literally live in an echo chamber - its called the US, the most propagandized nation on earth
You have to think that about yourself because it’s a protection mechanism.
How swollen is your amygdala right now?
It’s funny cause the same system you’re railing against is what incenses you enough to get on my ass for daring people simply exercise their right to vote. So I guess it is working, even on you 😂
I have no clue what any of that means. I think its some kind of nerd way to say “no u” with a little emoji to show how not big mad you are right now. Go back to reddit
You ever notice how maybe only a handful of countries have ever reformed their way out of corruption and tyranny in human history, but a vast majority of nations have had a better chance at that through revolution?
I don’t need to convince you of my point history shows us that when the chips are down for the masses, the best way to stop it is to start lobbing off upper class heads. You’re the one that has to convince the rest of us that it isn’t necessary and that the upper class would willingly allow us to out vote them.
I don’t really care, it doesn’t make them any more right 🤣
Is that what you got from what i said? Not the part where every other economic system mentioned here suffers from the exact same issues that the current system does? I have yet to hear anything constructive, just full on trolling and 12 year old understanding of global politics mixed with confident ignorance
The software you’re using was written by a communist lmao. Lemmy was just us and Lemmygrad/lemmy.ml for years before you rddit NPCs decided to freak out over some rddit bullshit and make a thousand reddit clones. Now every once in a while we get to see you basement dwellers accidentally walk outside your echo chamber and freak out.
Congress functions to serve the owner class and has for its entire existence. It started out serving, exclusively, white land-owning men as part of a slave nation.
It will not do anything else, ever. It is baked in and will only stop doing so when the owner class itself is subjugated, something that will only happen via revolution. It would be nice if that wasn’t necessary and the ruling class could just let their power get voted out, but we don’t have the luxury of such fantasies.
The only fix? Voting harder? You’re really tipping your hand when it comes to your total lack of imagination or investment in actually improving things.
Fake News.
It’s because we don’t have a functioning congress that will pass laws to regulate this kind of predatory behavior.
This is what party politics and capitalism devolves into. Expensive fast food, greed marketed as inflation, and record emissions while the Supreme Court slowly chips away at our collective rights.
At this point our only fix would be to elect enough representatives who will vote against their best interest to repeal citizens united, so politicians cannot be bought by corporations, so we can pass some long overdue shit like stricter monopoly laws, rental price hike limits and profit regulations.
Unfortunately the majority of them right now are acting in the best interest of their largest donors, and THATS the problem. Unfortunately, too many of us think this is sports so nothing gets done.
I can think of a better fix
Orrrrrrr we can just participate in our electoral process more and be more aware of who the people we cast votes for and what they’re beholden to, but that’s not sexy enough for hexbear users.
Palestinians should just vote out the Israelis tbqh.
Yes, choose an unrelated matter in an attempt to disprove this statement.
Whatever you gotta do to feel right, I suppose.
The fact that they’re right helps, i suppose
Yeah buddy, you stroke that ego.
I’m over here stroking my ego got lotion on my ego right now I’m just stroking my shit I’m horny as fuck man I’m a freak man like
Do whatever you want dude. You can cum harder than the Chinese government cracking down on its people, but it won’t make you any more right or prove any point here.
Are all hexbear users trolls or just you?
Its our ego comrade
My b for commenting on a hexbear post I suppose. Have fun being right all the time.
You’re talking about electoralism when this is an issue where the vast majority of voters have nobody to vote for that actually aligns with their interests. Do you vote for Biden the senile Zionist or Trump the deranged Zionist?
You want to work within the system? Make a billion dollars doing something morally depraved and bribe the politcians yourself. It’s just as unrealistic as voooooting your way to progress and more effective.
I voted for Bernie each time and don’t give a shit about the other candidates. If enough people did that we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Bernie is a Zionist too lmao.
Are there zionists in the room right now?
Capital. The answer is always kapital.
I remember believing that. Then I saw the Democratic party cheat and gaslight the public into thinking theres any real democracy in their primary.
It’s Joever, dude. Democracy is dead
Yeah I don’t really care about party politics so I’m not going to go further into what x or y party does, I’m just saying between engaging in a flawed system and replacing it with another system it will always be easier to engage in what already exists.
That’s an assumption you’ve made, and its not factual. It’s a supposition of fact that you shpuld treat with appropriate skepticism
It’s not an assumption it’s literally how basically everything in this universe works.
It’s generally easier to fix something than completely redo it. Less materials, less energy expenditure, less time.
I can use whatever analogy you want but the fact is it would be much easier to get more active in local politics and make a positive change that way than tear the whole system down and hope it doesn’t fall victim to the same power-hungry tyrants in another form.
That’s why in nature all organism live forever instead of creating an entirely new organism to propagate their genetic line. Why waste all the resources on reproduction when you can make the original organism live forever. It’s that simple!
I literally can’t tell if you’re serious or not because most hexbear users legit sound like this all the time.
There’s a reason y’all need your own instance and it’s not because you’re the enlightened ones lol
Yes, that’s why everyone in this thread is explaining to you why that’s bad.
You: “I disagree with Ogodei Khan’s’s policies and the Mongol Empire is collapsing on multiple fronts, if only we declare Kublai Khan the Great Khan at the Kurultai then the true will of the people will prevail and the empire will be cured!”
Nah, all systems have the same problems. I have yet to hear why x is better than y.
Guess you can’t :)
There is no difference between good things and bad things you imbecile, you fucking moron
You’ve got it. Just
harder lib
I mean it’s that or burn it all down, and at our current rate of economic and ecological breakdown we don’t really have the time or resources to form a better structure.
It’s much more economical for example, to repair the climate than it would be to terraform another planet. At a much smaller scale, it’s easier to fix the system than replace it.
If we can’t even decide on basic shit like “is the earth warming at a rate that is hostile to life” or “is Taylor Swift a psyop” how are we supposed to form a new cohesive government? It’s going to be hard enough electing decent people to any structure you can think of.
Which is why we need to do a slow incrementalism by voting?
I’m on board for anything better that we can realistically accomplish in the next decade that can guarantee long term prosperity for the people and also is not subject to greedy and power-hungry officials.
And this is achieved through voting how? We need a radical in the white house by november.
Better engagement in the voting process by the voting public, for a start.
Unfortunately too many Americans either pay no attention to our political system, are misled enough on its operations, or are too complacent or depressed to care.
This is the root of the issue that has allowed the current system to be so corrupt, and regardless of governmental structure this is what needs to be solved before anything else.
Let me paraphrase what you said for you:
“I will eat shit forever because the people forcefeeding me shit taught me that any alternative involves me eating shit AND drinking piss”
Paraphrase all you want, that doesn’t give you a point or mean you’re being accurate doing it lol.
Come back when you have a constructive comment. But I doubt that exists on this instance.
Is your goal being here to spread your beliefs? Cause this kind of comment isn’t effective at getting people on board.
You yourself are making our point for why liberal democracy cannot fix itself. We can’t form a “cohesive government” as you say within this system. That’s why its necessary for this system to end.
You will never be able to elect “decent people” because you, us, the people do not have a say in who they get to vote for. This government does not exist for us, and it is not a democracy for us. And it never will be, until the power of capital is broken
When your way has been implemented, and the system is overthrown, and all is just and fair, how are you going to protect this revolution from the next one?
As you said, the government doesn’t work for us. I don’t know of any structure that truly does because they all rely on those given power to use it responsibly and relinquish it eventually, which will always be subject to corruption.
But the alternative is anarchy, and that’s not going to work either.
There’s an entire intellectual tradition about this called Marxism-Leninism. There are successful Marxist-Leninist governments that exist right now, including the largest nation on earth. We aren’t aren’t talking about a fantasy here, there is is over a hundred years of paractice and two hundred of theory, if you’re interested in our worldview
Liberal democracy does not work for us - as in the people who are not in the ruling class. That isn’t because of some immutable characteristic of all governments, it is by the design of the US government and all liberal democracies.
They were designed by and to work to the benefit of the ruling class - capitalists. That’s why it doesn’t work for us. Thats the key element and that’s what we advocate for a change of. The only way to change things in through class struggle - and placing power in the hands of our class.
We have anarchists here and we keep the place non-sectarian. MLs would agree but not for the same reasons as you. Our disagreement is that we need the power of a state to safeguard the gains of a revolution against the global capitalist class and their state forces. Anarchists have a different view, but they understand the importance of revolutionary class struggle and disagreements aside, their theory of change is infinitely more grounded in reality than yours
How would you define a successful Marxist-Leninist government and which is it?
Corruption is a fundamental problem of any system of governance, and it reaches a point where the only route to defeat it is to kill the fucking cheats who set it up.
Voting is nit going to fix a system that has intentionally broken voting to invalidate you. Only revolution can do that.
Right, when that revolution is over what is to keep that new perfect system from being corrupted again?
this is just sad.
What’s sad is that you think you’re the one being realistic, when your theory of change is complete fantasy.
What we’re talking about has been done and accomplished before and exists in the real world, including the largest nation on earth. What you’re talking about has never happened
Please provide me an example of communism working on a long-term scale and how you define “working”.
“Who am I supposed to vote for Ben, Aquaman?”
I got some participation for you…
Sure. Get back to me on how that works out.
When you open your mind enough to try i absolutely will.
Lmao ok, what is that even supposed to mean
They’re all bloodthirsty zionists and neocons
People are clowning on you because of the naive electoralism and because you come from a
instance but you’re not completely wrong. You just need to go a step further and realize that what the system is doing now is what it was designed to do. Working within it is not going to get you anywhere. Also the guy you’re replying to is joking.
That’s the key thing with all well meaning lib arguements. They believe their system is broken, when in fact its working perfectly and it was never their system to begin with
Important distinction to be made here:
It’s broken for the people.
It’s working for those in power.
I have yet to hear a tenable solution from anyone in this thread, seems y’all just like trolling on others rather than have productive discussions. That just makes people less inclined to listen to you until you sink further into your own echo chamber.
Thats how liberal democracy is intended to work you fucking lib shit!!!
That’s what i just said and you read and you still don’t get it, because you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about
No communist in the west lives in an echo chamber. We hear your view - the fatalistic lib, capitalist realism veiw everywhere. You literally live in an echo chamber - its called the US, the most propagandized nation on earth
You have to think that about yourself because it’s a protection mechanism.
How swollen is your amygdala right now?
It’s funny cause the same system you’re railing against is what incenses you enough to get on my ass for daring people simply exercise their right to vote. So I guess it is working, even on you 😂
I have no clue what any of that means. I think its some kind of nerd way to say “no u” with a little emoji to show how not big mad you are right now. Go back to reddit
I am acutely aware 🤣
Are you saying you don’t want to try and convince me of your point? Cause I’m waiting.
You ever notice how maybe only a handful of countries have ever reformed their way out of corruption and tyranny in human history, but a vast majority of nations have had a better chance at that through revolution?
I don’t need to convince you of my point history shows us that when the chips are down for the masses, the best way to stop it is to start lobbing off upper class heads. You’re the one that has to convince the rest of us that it isn’t necessary and that the upper class would willingly allow us to out vote them.
new site tag
To the dunk-tank, lib.
Damn I really thought we could have saved this one 😔
🎶Don’t save her, she don’t wanna be saved, don’t save her she don’t wanna be saved🎶
Dont worry comrade ill make sure to vote for Hillary Clinton in this election since you people got mad at me for not doing so in 2016
I don’t really care, it doesn’t make them any more right 🤣
Is that what you got from what i said? Not the part where every other economic system mentioned here suffers from the exact same issues that the current system does? I have yet to hear anything constructive, just full on trolling and 12 year old understanding of global politics mixed with confident ignorance
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^ you right now.
Bruh your instance has to exist for you to have a community because everyone else knows how poorly thought out your content is.
Or is Big Lemmy just out to get you?
The software you’re using was written by a communist lmao. Lemmy was just us and Lemmygrad/lemmy.ml for years before you rddit NPCs decided to freak out over some rddit bullshit and make a thousand reddit clones. Now every once in a while we get to see you basement dwellers accidentally walk outside your echo chamber and freak out.
15 liberals that couldn’t put an original thought together to save their lives.
Get a load of this lib.
Congress functions to serve the owner class and has for its entire existence. It started out serving, exclusively, white land-owning men as part of a slave nation.
It will not do anything else, ever. It is baked in and will only stop doing so when the owner class itself is subjugated, something that will only happen via revolution. It would be nice if that wasn’t necessary and the ruling class could just let their power get voted out, but we don’t have the luxury of such fantasies.
The only fix? Voting harder? You’re really tipping your hand when it comes to your total lack of imagination or investment in actually improving things.
Melina?