https://sh.itjust.works/post/4274675
To this I say, no. As a community, we do not deny proven genocides, like the holocaust, or the genocide against indigenous Americans by various European colonizers, or the genocide against the Congolese by Belgium, or the Bengal famine that was carried out by the British empire. In fact, denying those genocides will get you banned, here. However: we are also aware of a tendency of nations to project their crimes onto others, and to manufacture atrocity propaganda to justify overthrowing or destroying rival governments… like Libya in 2011:
From Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad (a great book I highly recommend)
A post from Michael Parenti regarding the destruction of Libya by NATO-backed reactionaries
A headline shortly after Libya’s destruction by NATO-backed reactionaries
The US government has been reenacting the fable of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and has been cynically leveraging the very serious accusation of genocide against its geopolitical enemies. This is the source of skepticism on Xinjiang. And this is not a new strategy, yes, the Holodomor, which everyone in the US has been taught to take seriously lately, is a nazi fabrication first spread to the United States in the works of Robert Conquest. Why would the USSR deliberately starve a fellow socialist Republic? Why would Stalin, a Georgian, have some kind of Russian chauvinist grudge against Ukrainians? Why would Lenin (Donbass), Stalin (Lviv), and Khruschev (Crimea) all expand the territory of the Ukrainian SSR while also trying to kill off the people inside of it? Why would the USSR ethnically cleanse Ukrainains while simultaneously sending food aid to the starving British colony in Bengal? Natural famines and crop failures were spun by the nazis into atrocity propaganda. Also, a state does not have to be perfect to be defended against false accuations. I think China is far from perfect, but the burden of proof is on the United States to prove its accusations (which have changed in scope several times) regarding Xinjiang. Delegations from Muslim majority nations visiting Xinjiang do not agree with the United States that there is a genocide of the Uyghur people. There is however an attempt to reeducate extremist groups like ETIM. Reeducating extremists might seem a harsh government policy, but I assure you it is a better way of dealing with religious fundamentalism than drone striking weddings or air striking hospitals like the USA did in Afghanistan.
You aren’t a genocide denialist if the genocide genuinely did not happen.
If someone makes the claim that last week France genocided the English, and I respond “No that’s fucking stupid and did not happen.” I don’t magically become a genocide denialist as a result of making that statement.
Because that would be ridiculous.
A genocide did not happen in Xinjiang. That is simply factual. A re-education program in which people were forced to attend an education facility where they stay over night Mon-Fri and go home on weekends did occur. Pointing this out is not genocide denialism because a genocide did not happen.
Holocaust deniers are genocide deniers because a genocide genuinely occurred.
There is an important fucking difference here.
My ex girlfriend says the Jews conducted a genocide of the Slavs in the USSR with Stalin’s help. I deny that genocide, because it’s made up. And I broke up with her for saying Jews control the media
I broke up with her
good call
Not gonna lie tho she was really fun. She got me into pet play and I do not regret it. I was always trying to convince her to become a communist.
Of course their community image is a fucking racist caricature lol
noooooooo you don’t understand, it’s not racist, it’s just making fun of xi jinping because he got really mad and banned winnie the pooh. “source?” what do you mean “source?”
I can trawl Shanghai Disney world for like millions of Winnie the Pooh pics they literally are just parrots
the real crime is that china allows d*sney to exist inside its borders at all
Just going to throw out that the tankies at the… uhhh… US STATE DEPARTMENT have also said officially that there isn’t evidence for genocide in Xinjiang: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
If anyone calls you a genocide denier, throw out this one and see out they respond.
They won’t. I can’t get the fuckers to read the UN report, either. And good luck getting them to look in to any information on the 1932 famine that doesn’t come directly from Himmler of the OUN-B.
I remember one guy who posted the UN report as proof of genocide but the report itself didn’t say anything related to genocide.
I feel like this connects back to the liberal need to erase anyone left of them, because otherwise they can’t pretend to be the good guys
also this:
The kitten-burners seem to fulfill some urgent need. They give us someone we can clearly and correctly say we’re better than. Their extravagant cruelty makes us feel better about ourselves because we know that we would never do what they have done. They thus function as signposts of depravity, reassuring the rest of us that we’re Not As Bad As them, and thus letting us tell ourselves that this is the same thing as us being good.
Even Stephen Kotkin (the lib), who is a highly esteemed academic historian (professor at Princeton), said what happened in Ukraine in the 30s wasn’t genocide in his Stalin biography. The only revisionism that’s happening here is libs pretending that there is a consensus about calling it a genocide among academic historians.
All of these actions were woefully insufficient for avoiding the mass starvation in the countryside caused by his policies, in the face of challenging natural conditions. Still, these actions do not indicate that he was trying to exterminate peasants or ethnic Ukrainians.
Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, 1929-1941 by Stephen Kotkin published in October 2017 by Penguin Random House
Here’s Mark Tauger’s takedown of Applebaum’s Holodomor book:
Some might ask whether Applebaum’s writing is more accessible to “non-specialist” readers. There are many excellent writers among Slavic specialists, and a more accurate account could easily have been presented in clear and simple language. Applebaum’s writing does not “simplify” the truth, it obscures it, as discussed in this review. Red Famine thus does not fit well in the existing scholarly literature, even as “popular history.” Its interpretation resembles that of Conquest’s Harvest of Sorrow, and it does use recent published sources that provide vivid descriptions of many people’s experiences in the famine. But it leaves out too much important information, has false claims on key points, and draws unjustified conclusions on important issues based on incomplete use of sources, making it not even close to the level of genuine scholarship, like Davies and Wheatcroft’s Years of Hunger. Red Famine is better characterized by a passage from Peter Kenez’s book on The Birth of the Propaganda State: “propaganda often means telling less than the truth, misleading people … manipulating and distorting information, lying” and addresses “audiences in simple language…”
Even Robert Conquest amended his position after the release of the Soviet archives that the Soviet famine of the 1930s wasn’t genocide.
All right-wing politics is projection.
It’s funny seeing Hexbears not understand how lemmy works. It’s hilarious seeing them angry over dissent.
I wonder if they even know that the developer of lemmy, dessalines, is a communist who releases communist audiobooks on their youtube channel and did an AMA on here
Yes, we are well aware.
Are you aware of this?
omg its you! aint you tired. thing of all the productive things you could have done with your free time.
it’s Sunday.
you have a whole catalog of of post from us. also and i dont mean this as an insult as a fellow autistic person. almost all of your screenshot post are jokes. like your missing the jokes bud, your not gonna understand them from an outside perspective. also this is literally the nicest kindest least racist place place on the internet. it would be great if you could leave us alone. maybe get into a irl hobby. I like to write.
it’s actually from lemmygrad. don’t really care about hexbear. you can insult me as much as you want, my comrade, makes no difference to me.
don’t really care about hexbear
Yet here you are.
Caring that much about not caring is transparently false.
well it should matter. how people treat you matters. maybe your spending too much time in these hate filled spaces, people should be kind to each other, you should be in a space where that is expected. and Lemmy.grad is our sister site and I care for them. plus ever since federation many users have been harassed including sexually harassed. Im not saying your post are sending them here but there are people on the internet who see it as a moral imperative to cause distress to our users, mostly our fem users. once you label someone and dehumanize them in your mind you can do anything to them. and thats whats been done to this community. you dont even see us as human beings just “tankies” to attack. maybe you could try to not spread negativity that has the potential to insight harm. I hope you really take this into consideration. plus if were all just teenage larper like yall say whats the harm? theres no real world impact if youre right. leave us be.
The lord’s day of rest. Naughty person. Go say a bunch of hail marys or something.
It’s funny
It’s hilarious
I like it that
It’s ironic that
It’s weird that
so many fucking sentences start like that when smug liberals want to hide their rage behind more smugness.
Why would the USSR deliberately starve a fellow socialist Republic? Why would Stalin, a Georgian, have some kind of Russian chauvinist grudge against Ukrainians? Why would Lenin (Donbass), Stalin (Lviv), and Khruschev (Crimea) all expand the territory of the Ukrainian SSR while also trying to kill off the people inside of it?
My key question: Why would Stalin stop? If the Holodomor was a deliberate attempt to genocide the Ukrainian people, it would be to my knowledge the only genocide in the history of the world where the perpetrator just randomly decided to stop the genocidal actions and never again make any attempt to restart it for the next 30 years of his life.
Acording to peepee we poopoo
Like half of the posts in this site in recent times
that one is true though. famously we poopoo
The chud bible:
- Horseshoe theory
- Double genocide theory
- The black book of communism
- Whataboutism
