Alright! So Palestine is free now, right guys?..right?
Of course they are! The non-voters and 3rd party voters did exactly what they said they’d do to free Palestine and now It’s all flowers and hugs as far as the eye can see over there!
Don’t mind the big sign in right in the center of their city that reads “Future Site of Giant Crater”, that’s nothing at all to worry about. Just focus on all the hugs!
The genocide will finally stop!
Palestine is freed… from existing.
If Kamala lost the election because she wasn’t in support of Palestine then why didn’t she just support Palestine?
Maybe make your one issue election about your country and not others? And I mean if you really cared about Palestine, you wouldn’t have stood off to the side and let Trump through, cause now you’ll get to watch the complete annihilation of Palestine, and even more of your tax dollars will go towards the genocide
With Kamala you had someone you could work with and who responds to bad press and would have buckled to your demands. Now you got Trump who gives zero fucks about what you don’t like
I’m not American and you didn’t answer my question.
If pro-palestinian one issue voters lost Kamala the election, why didn’t she appease them? Why are the voters to blame and not the democrats?
They answered your question perfectly.
It wasn’t the one issue, it was just the one that stuck with people who needed an excuse to not show up and vote for a woman.
I suppose that is one way to misread what was typed. GJ
What are you saying then?
I already said it…it isn’t my job to make you read it better. If you actually want to know then you will try again and do better, if not then you can shout into the void until you feel better.
sick bro
When you lose an election this badly, people are clearly not buying you’re selling.
But damn I did not expect so many people to sit out against the guy who did the coup and amongst all the other shit. If there is any light ahead, I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
They are fucking incapable of learning this.
Bernie polled great against Trump but they snubbed him for Hillary and we lost because of it.
The only reason Biden won was because he wasn’t Trump and we were tired of him at that point.
Kamala had a chance to swing a little more left but continued to try to court moderate conservatives and the suburbs instead.
They just can’t get it through their heads that: Trump and maga are winning as a reaction of “fuck the system”. This mostly stems from corporations and the filthy rich not being taxed enough and us not spending enough on social programs. That energy could have been captured and utilized by running a leftist.
But instead we get milquetoast business as usual bullshit
If there is any light ahead, I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
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When are you expecting an election to happen where you can vote for this party?
Get started
If they go far left they’ll lose all backing and funding, making them completely useless. It’s just the way the system is built. I’m Canadian but I see you guys had a choice to pick a bad but fixable administration, and instead just let the fascist through. I mean you can chide the Democrats all you want for the result, but it was the left who sat out and it’s those same people who are gonna suffer
yall really think democrats learn from this shit? you born yesterday?
I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
Yeah, that’s what everyone thought after 2016 as well.
Yes, a Very Special Thanks to the morally pure angels who refused to vote for Kamala Harris because they were standing on high ground about some issue they disliked her on. Well done, fuckheads.
It’s kamala’s fault tho /s
It really was (or at least the Democratic party’s fault). If you take every single third party voter, assign them to Kamala, she still loses.
The real problem here is that people needed to be convinced that voting was worth it when Trump was a candidate. How the fuck do you even reach someone with such a pathetic lack of concern for the world? Seriously you people think if she vowed to stop Israel, magically these dip shit knuckle dragging morons would’ve jumped at the chance to vote for her. Millions of people told us they give zero fucks. And fuck them for that.
American voters in general dgaf about things that don’t affect them. Israel is irrelevant to your median American voter.
Yeah I agree. After this result you cannot argue that Americans in general give a flying fuck about their neighbor. It’s fucking pathetic. Zero faith in America, maybe humanity, left here.
That genocide is gonna stop any day now
Didn’t you hear? All Palestinians got a personal check for $1 million straight from trump himself.
Big ups to those people who “voted against genocide”.
Special shout-out to the folks that voted third party because “my state will be blue”
I thought my state would go blue. Went out to vote anyway and voted blue. Brought my spouse out to vote as well. Our state did not go blue. Country is fucked
folks that voted third party because “my state will be blue”
Admittedly not all the votes are in, but…
- Pennsylvania - Trump up by 130k votes, Jill Stein got 33k votes
- Michigan - Trump up by 84k votes, Jill Stein got 45k votes
- Wisconsin - Trump up by 28k votes, Jill Stein got 12k votes
Are all Jill Stein votes from protest voters? Nah, there are diehard Green supporters out there.
Are there other 3rd party candidates? Of course, but how many RFK (more votes than Stein in WI) voters could she have converted? Almost none.
This was her blue wall road to victory, show me the electoral path to victory ruined by third party voters who would have otherwise voted Democrat.
This election was lost by people not showing up to vote. Trump is sitting at almost 72M votes right now compared to 74M in 2020. Harris is only at 67M now, compared to Biden’s 81M in 2020. While there are still votes to count, there aren’t 15M votes left to count.
Whether it was lack of interest, protest, or whatever reason, 10% of voters stayed home this year.
My election registration got canceled three times this year. The last two times it was because of a “duplicate”, and they were counting my canceled registrations as duplicates. I have no idea if my ballot got counted, or if it was discarded.
I vote blue in one of those red states…
Similar here actually. I usually try to vote by mail, but by the time I finally got registeration and residency handled after 2 online registrations and two visits to the elections office, early voting was over, so I had to go to the polls on election day
“Admittedly not all the votes are in, but…” you’ll pretend to make a point with vote counts anyway.
I am so fucking sick of all this shit.
- Pennsylvania - 98.3% Reporting
- Michigan - 98.7% Reporting
- Wisconsin - 99% Reporting
These states have been called for Trump. The remaining outstanding vote will not impact this result. The remaining vote is not going to come in all for Jill Stein or other third party candidates. The point that protest votes for third party candidates did not rob Harris of an electoral college victory will stand once 100% of the vote is in.
Okay, now you’ve supplied enough information to validate what you’re saying. Thanks.
No state had enough third party votes to flip red to blue had they all gone blue, so can we give this a rest?
The DNC failed, plain and simple.
Wisconsin and Michigan.
And Pennsylvania and Georgia. The so-called swing states really took a wild swing this time.
Got me there, though if you look and tally only the left candidates who might’ve actually gone for Harris otherwise it’s still not true.
And in any case, she still loses even if she got these states.
But they wanna blame someone who doesn’t impact anything! Why blame a bad campaign when you can blame 0.03% of the voters!
No state had enough third party votes to flip red to blue had they all gone blue, so can we give this a rest?
I actually think people who think any part of politics is “plain and simple” are the real problem.
“The real problem” sounds pretty plain and simple that.
Seriously though what are you saying? What’s the point of that statement?
They failed, that’s plain and simple. The cause behind that? Probably more complicated.
Yeah, and since it sounds pretty much that way, it definitely is that way and you win the internet argument, right?
I think the main problem in discussing most issues is that people oversimply them. Memes and meme-level thinking don’t get to the essence of an issue, they just pretend to by expressing a single point of view, reinforcing the false belief that the whole issue is plain and simple, and excusing people for not bothering to exert their brains much before the scroll to the next item in their feed.
What if my state is California?
Who did you vote for?
Taking the data from here and throwing it in a spreadsheet, Trump got more votes than everyone else combined, including the Libertarian party, RFK Jr, and Write-ins.
Looking at that chart, she would have won in Wisconsin and gotten their ten electoral votes.
What does it look like for the rest of the states?
Across the country, it was Trump: 71,825,780 Everyone else: 69,303,000
It says at the top of the page it was last updated a day ago, but I kind of doubt the numbers will change too dramatically.
67m for Harris to 72m (rounded up) on the BBC; it was really not close eh.
Biden got 81.2 million.
How the fuck are people not voting. After all that.
Amnesia.
The other person was making the point that you can’t do it by total popular vote, you have to do it by state and then look at their electoral college votes.
But the electoral college is dumb and pointless. This is the first time a Republican won the popular vote since 2004, or since 1988 if you don’t want to count an incumbent victory. That alone should tell you plenty about the state of the country right now.
Your comment is dumb and pointless, yet here it is.
See how far your logic goes?
But the electoral college is dumb and pointless
And its also how a president is elected in the United States, or 2016 would have gone a bit differently.
It’s dumb and pointless, but it’s literally the way a president is elected today. We have had many instances of people being elected president who didn’t win the popular vote. So if you want to try to figure out if third party candidates caused Trump to get elected, you have to look at it state by state.
But how do you count “didn’t vote”? And what about “voted on other parts but not for President because genocide or whatever”? That second group might be countable, but the first is like proving a negative
You probably look at how many citizens there are, and look at how many voted. Then do some magic math.
But how do you count “didn’t vote”?
I didn’t, that’s voter turnout and probably won’t be fully available till all the votes are counted. If you’re impatient though, here’s the washington post comparing 2024 voter turnout to 2020.
Honestly, it doesn’t matter, even if every single 3rd party voter went for Harris, Trump still wins
Now count those that didn’t vote at all.
But how else will they blame anyone but themselves?
The meme is literally how else.
Yeah I heard halo polish is on sale at Walmart, they should check it out.
Utterly bizarre. I expected Trump might squeak out an electoral win, but the popular vote as well? Thanks everyone who stayed the fuck home. You sat by as fascism was ushered in to the US.
Same. I’m not sure if I’m more… “Ok” with this? We should still abolish the electoral college, but we were shafted by the American people this time (and the propaganda machine making things worse). It’s the first time since I turned 18 that the GOP actually won the popular vote… Sigh
Abolishing the electoral college would require a constitutional amendment, and isn’t even necessary. Passing the National Popular Vote law in a few more states will guarantee that the electoral college always follows the national popular vote. This law has already been passed by 17 states + DC, with a total of 209 electoral votes - already 3/4 of the way there, only 61 more votes needed. Go to the site to see if it already passed in your state.
Bold of you to expect there will be another election.
Now project 25 will swing into action. Then queue all those impacted who voted for the arsewipe to gasp “but he’s hurting the wrong people!”
I heard about that, I just don’t know who else can join the coalition. It might be easier to do it as an amendment if there a massive shift in power over the next decade (and I shudder to think what that’d be that was so upsetting or so lethal that the entire landscape changes to Dems having a super majority).
The NPV only needs states with 61 more electoral votes. In 7 states totaling 74 votes it has already passed half their legislatures (state house or senate but not both). So it’s actually a lot closer than starting from scratch with a constitutional amendment, which would need approval from 3/4 of all states.
Any idea which states might fit the bill?
I don’t remember offhand but if you are interested the site I linked lists the 17 states where it has passed, and the 7 states where it has passed half of their legislature.
All votes are not counted yet. There’s still a chance he won’t get the popular vote. A tiny chance, but still a chance…
There’s a bigger likelyhood Harris wins the electoral college than the popular vote, but both are pretty unlikely.
Big thanks to all the Americans who voted in favor of another trump presidency. He couldn’t have won without them.
Like every year, only about 1/3 of eligible voters did. I will never again listen to a single fucking thing people who didn’t vote or those who threw it away on a 3rd-party candidate have to say.
There are people in fascist authoritarian countries (incoming in 3, 2, 1…) who would love to vote and have it matter. They would even choose to die for it…
You really should listen to them though. They are telling you exactly what they want.
Ignoring them and then being surprised and mad they didn’t show up wasn’t the play. And it will continue not being the play.
Trump didn’t get more votes than 2020.
And despite that he still got millions of votes. Millions of Americans want this. We’re a country of terrible people.
Hey now. We’re only half full of terrible people. Some of us did our best to do the right thing.
More than half the country if you count the people who voted for him and the people who didn’t vote.
Don’t forget the spoiler voters.
Even if every single 3rd party voter went to her, she still loses
They didn’t spoil anything.
Half full of terrible registered voter people.
Hear, hear. Truly terrible people. It’s like half of my countrymen are the people from Always Sunny.
It doesn’t matter. You are ignoring the rot at the core. Even if people turned out and kamala won - it Trump should have broken the Republican party. It should not have been a competition.
trump voters don’t make any* deflections on who they are. the cruelty IS what they vote for. it’s not gonna break the republican party, it’s what they’ve been asking for. Trump just tapped into it. can’t do anything about those fuckers and trying isnt worth it.
I want to look at the people who just sat this round out because it wasn’t exciting and wouldnt really harm them. going back to “this isnt who we are” as a culture and pleading with them is not gonna work.
I’m not sure that statement can be verified at this point in time.
It’s close though. Big shift (so far) is 10 million ish fewer for Harris
They haven’t finished counting the votes yet. Unless you are somehow comparing to the exact point in the count 4 years ago, this type of analysis is very premature. Except even that would be a bad idea because covid made things weird in 2020.
It’ll be a little while until we get a good handle on turnout. Until then don’t read too much into it.
As a Michigander, a special fuck you to all the dipshits who voted independent
Like Dearborn? Where Arab Americans had been sounding alarm bells for months about how democrats were losing them? How they were upset about their brothers and sisters being blown the fuck up in Palestine and Lebanon? How leftists were vehemently warning for months that Kamala’s callous take on the middle east “Im speaking now 🤫”, could cost her the election?
Your comment is just thinly-veiled racism. Next time, just say you blame american fascism on american Muslims.
And now that you are reaping, you’re lashing out. In textbook liberal fashion, you’re scapegoating minorities as fascism starts to come knocking.
If you can honestly look at the complete ineptitude of the democrat establishment and Kamala’s race, and still blame minorities, then I feel like I know which side you’re going to take when shit really starts getting volatile here.
“If liberals are so fucking smart why do they lose so goddamn always?”
- Will McAvoy “The Newsroom”
I don’t think it’s fair to blame voters when it’s the politician’s job during s campaign to convince people they’re worth voting for.
Adopting unpopular centrist policies and aligning more and more with centrist Biden’s policies as the campaign went on is just going to fill voters with apathy.
The Democrats, once again, didn’t give us a candidate to vote for, only one to vote against. And I think the American people are sick of that carrot-stick routine, the Dems need to actually adopt popular policies.
And the establishment Dems are going to fight that tooth and nail.
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Yeah, both parties went down from 2020 counts. We literally had something like 18m or 20m who didn’t show up combined.
Wild stuff. Oh well, we rode this roller-coaster once, we ride it again. Maybe this round we don’t lose 2% of our population?
I’ll bet we never find out how many were denied the ability to vote because of registration purges, bomb threats, and other malicious voter suppression.
But the fact that states both voted for abortion access at the state level and then also voted in all Republicans who will pass a national ban shows the voting population is stupid enough that this was the likely outcome anyway.
Fuck this country.
I think the Republican voters are to stupid or just in denial that Congress would ever vote for an abortion ban, even though they’ve clearly signaled they would. My boss is very right wing and last night he said to me that he thought it was weird all the commercials he saw for Sherrod Brown here in Ohio mentioned protecting abortion when it’s legal here. When I said a nation ban would supercede our state constitution he just straight told me Congress would pass a national ban.
I literally heard an interview with a woman who said she voted Republican because, on the one hand, abortion “isn’t that big of a deal” and ought to be left up to the states, but on the other, “doctors shouldn’t be allowed to abort babies after they’re born.”
So this person thinks that doctors are murdering babies… and that should be allowed on a state by state basis. Which… boy oh boy, I’m not sure what to even do with a mind that works that way.
Nah, those are rookie numbers. Gotta pump those numbers up. And they have a whole playbook ready for it this time, so things are gonna get interesting and tragic sooner than later.
Bonus points that if we make through, we can look forward to new exciting wars about water resources and inhospitable climate problems
Maybe this round we don’t lose 2% of our population?
Definitely not.
It will be much higher than that this time.
How about 60% down the road strictly due to climate change
Honestly, I’m praying for another pandemic. This world is so broken that it needs a reset.
Ænema
Ill see you down in Arizona bay
I’m not seeing turnout down by 20m. Where are you seeing this data? Note, we haven’t even finished counting all the votes.
Admittedly, I was expecting there to be overwhelmingly high turnout and there wasn’t that from what I’ve seen.
The dude won the popular vote. I’m sure a lot of the shady bullshit that happened all around the country to suppress voting inflated his lead a little bit but I don’t think it was substantial enough to explain this.
Nearly every news outlet has reported record voter turnout, but look at the vote counts from 2020 vs this year.
when does the candidate become responsible for their own turnout
As long as money is in politics, never.
We can always blame someone but the candidate who failed a popularity contest.
Pretty sure Trump once again spent less…
Lying is cheap, especially when the media just repeats your rallies without issue.
The moment trump got free press in 2016 was the worst point. They could have ignored him and we would have been doing Clinton vs Cruz.
Truth is literally free…
He got press because Clinton wanted it that way and he was the candidate, you can’t just not cover them.
He wasn’t always the nomation. It should have been:
“Wow Trump is trying to run. Weird. Anyways, moving on.”
You look at all the people giving “commentary” as they play his full speeches of racism and go “lol no one will listen to that”. When clearly a lot of networks covering an (at the time) niche candidate gave him more attention.
Also, lying is cheap. Investigating the truth costs time and labor. I can just say “The president is actually always mind controlled by Jews who are actually aliens” and it will take reasonable people longer to explain why that’s stupid, or look into why someone says it.
You don’t have to buy a sycophant’s vote.
to be fair, the other candidate only had a few months. Biden is largely to blame.
Hey, at least Palestine won’t be a stumbling block next election. 1 state solution it is I guess, sigh
Trump is going to have/help Israel just erase Gaza and the Palestinians as a people, there will be no need for any “solution”. And this is apparently what all these people sitting out wanted in the end. Hope they enjoy the view from their high horse.
Yeah, that’s what I meant. Its all just going to be Israel and settlers
Nah he may keep it around so the from the river to the sea crowd can screech at the dems
Looks like fairly close to the same amount v9ted this election (at least in my state) as the 2020 election. Maybe slightly higher.
Lotta people are blaming the dnc for the L. I blame them for forcing Hillary in 2016, but this go around? No. Neither candidate in 2024 was a great pick, but Harris was still clearly a better choice to run the country, and anyone could find that with a touch of research. Even passively.
This time around it’s because the majority of Americans are uneducated, short sighted, idiots. They voted in a senile 80 year old republican felon, while every one who worked under him in 2016 said not to vote for him, economists said not to vote for him, and everyone else but Putin across the globe screamed not to vote for him.
In 2020
Biden: 81.2 million
Trump: 74.2 millionIn 2024 so far
Harris: 67.0
Trump: 71.9Trump got about the same amount of votes. Dems lost 14 million votes.
Youch. I really thought the left would feel more pressed to actually vote this time, even more than in 2020. Screw this country. There was no reason for them to not go vote. People suck.
I think they know that. It would make sense for them to say what they did if they knew it.
But the media conglomerates are cheering. Just think how many clicks they will get now when rapey orange says something colossally stoopid.
Not sure if this is legit but a coworker said 20 million Democrats didn’t vote. That’s depressing knowing if they had voted Dem, Kamala most likely would’ve won.
It’s close to that. Another metric is 15 million fewer people voted Kamala than Biden last election. Trumps numbers stayed the same.
15 million people just fucking gave up.
Trump’s numbers didn’t stay the same. Despite winning the popular vote, Donald trump had 2 million less voters than in 2020. That’s a hefty chunk.
It just doesn’t matter, because 15 million other voters also didn’t show up.
They also dropped IIRC: 74 - > 71
But that doesn’t help if the dems lose 15 M…
If you choose not to vote and you’re not happy about the election outcome, well that’s your choice.
